....and nine years later... "Europeans regard Israel as the greatest threat to world peace." http://stopwar.org.uk/index.php/ira...noam-chomsky-iran-israel-or-the-united-states http://www.presstv.ir/detail/243559.html
Yep....I'm sure that's just what he would do if some invader smashed the door of his house down and told him to get out so that the invader's family could move in!! I think he's out of touch with reality to be honest.
How is the echo chamber working out boys? Have you won the war yet? pladecalvo, you must really like the sound of your own voice because you repeat yourself more than anyone I've ever met, and that is saying something. your last three posts, you just kept asking the same question in different ways. "WHAT WOULD YOU DO?". My post, lengthy and wordy (can we call it girthy?) as it was, explained both what I would do and what I wouldnt do. You clearly missed both pieces of information or you wouldn't be repeating yourself (yet again) with nonsense like this: If you are unable to read or understand my answers, I'm not sure what to do for you. Smaller words? Inflicted poverty. Its quite the concept. I've always felt liberals and Islamists had shared values, insofar as they both have absolutely no concept of personal responsibility. LoL. Israel is to blame for uneducated Palestinians? I find that strange, considering the amount of information that is readily available to the most remote part of the planet these days. Were you offering this as some sort of excuse as to why you don't understand my posts? I think you've inadvertently touched on a key issue here, btw. Palestinians are uneducated, and it is one of the root causes of their problems. Perhaps if the Palestinians were teaching their children math and science instead of how to hate and be martyrs, they would be able to think up a way to be rid of Israel.Hmmm... I find this statement very curious for a variety of reasons. First, it highlights the fact that Palestinians are not welcome in pretty much any nation, even other nearby Arab and Muslim nations. Have you ever stopped to wonder why? Perhaps you could take a page from the Jews playbook. When they were stripped of their property and belongings by places like the USSR and Germany during WWII, and later by Arab countries in 1967, they moved elsewhere, penniless, and started over. Many moved to Israel, many moved to the US, others moved elsewhere. Some had to sneak into the country they wound up in. The point is, they moved on and thrived, as they always do. Are you trying to tell me Palestinians have some genetic inferiority to the Jews and that is why they cant do what the Jews have done time and again? Oh is it? Well, first off, please don't use the word Palestinian and Muslim in the same sentence. It is inaccurate. Palestinians are about as Muslim as Hitler was a Christian. Islam strictly forbids the killing of innocents, yet the Palestinians made the murderers of women and children their leaders. Not Muslim at all. Perhaps this is why none of the rest of the Muslim world will accept them. So you are not only reading challenged, as I answered this in my previous post, but also history challenged? 1948. Palestine had a chance to accept a peaceful two state solution. They wouldn't accept it. Now, they would just like to get back to the deal they had in 1948. At every step, they fail the evolutionary test. Since you mention the Native Americans, it is a fact that by and large, the Native Americans who live on the reservations and accept the government subsidies and "reparations" live in poverty. It is also a fact that the Native Americans who have integrated into mainstream society are doing just fine.Once again, there is a lesson in there for you. In exchange for a 10 year truce. LMFAO. Regarding the rest of your post, its sounding a lot like Charlie Browns teacher. Blah blah blah blah, you are ignorant, blah blah blah blah, you dont know what you are talking about, blah blah blah blah blah blah. Facts. They are your friends. Try using them, and make your droning posts a bit more readable. No charge for the advice.
So if your country became illegally occupied, are you saying that you would start murdering elderly people on vacation, start setting car bombs off to murder civilians and launch rockets into residential neighbourhoods! If you were unable to do those things yourself, you would elect people to power who would support those activities with what little money you had? If so...why do you condemn the Palestinians for doing what you say you would do yourself? I didn't see it as an answer. I saw it as sarcastic quip. If your answer in post #16 is really what you would do then you need to explain why you condemn the Palestinians for doing what you would do yourself. Yes...inflicted poverty...or perhaps you would like to explain how having your livelihood destroyed is not having poverty inflicted on you. Yes they are. You need to get out of your USA 'shell' and look around you. Tell me...have you ever been to Palestine. Have you ever talked to Palestinians. The banality of your comments give the impression that you have not. Perhaps if the Israeli occupiers were to stop bombing their schools and get out of there country, perhaps they would be able to . Hmmm...? You really haven't got a clue have you? No it doesn't. It indicates that the Western nations that you suggested they go to to set up their businesses (laughable) have immigration laws... ...and you ignore the help they received to do that from places like the USA and Britain who allowed them into their countries. I'd also be interested in how you think a 'penniless' Palestinian refugee is going to get to a foreign land. When you make statements like that you really are showing your ignorance of the situation. Oh yes! ...and very much so. No it isn't. Palestinians are Muslims So does Judaism. So did Israel. Perhaps you should have read the list of Israeli atrocities and acts of terrorism I posted on page 1. The two state solution requires the occupying Israelis to remain...of course they are not going to accept it. I don't think so! Nice! You can add that one to your racist comments in post 16 where you said... "The smart Palestinians, if there is such a thing..." and... "The dumb ones (most if not all of them)". Like I said...your anti-Muslim/Palestinian/Racist stance is letting you down. No..the lesson is for you to learn and the lesson is - MIGHT DOES NOT MAKE RIGHT. Israel has broken every International law in the book and the fact that you are advocating that Palestine meekly accepts that and moves on is not only preposterous but it says a lot about you as a human being.
LOL ! Hamas is Teaching Terror To Children ! That is title of the thread ! Duh ! Nope I don't need to read anymore don't have the time. All I was saying Charles Bronson starred in the film.
Ok, smaller words it is. It was a sarcastic quip which indicated exactly what I would not do. In fact, it indicates what most people would not do unless they were a bunch of ignorant retards. I am, however, very pleased to see that you acknowledge that these are exactly the activities Hamas, the elected leadership of the Palestinians, are engaged in. Accepting your fairy tale as you tell it, it still wouldn't explain more than a few years of poverty. We are 60 years down the road. At some point, people need to start accepting their fate is directly linked with their own behavior. Obviously neither you, nor the Palestinians have done so, which is why it remains a sh*thole to this day. Oh ok. You got me. Since you say so. Seriously, remember my previous post where I mentioned the use of facts in your arguments? In fairness, I haven't, but I've been to a wide variety of other third world shitholes, some of which are fairly lawless. Does that count? Without surf, financial opportunity, or hot young girls who love Americans, I really cant see the point of going. So your schools teach ethnic hatred and martyrdom instead of math because of the occupation? I know you don't see it, but I think you just touched on one of the root causes there, both of Palestinian failure, and of the never ending cycle of violence. Congratulations! So now Jordan is a western nation? Saudi Arabia is a western nation? Qatar? Boy I must be confused. Try again. Good point. If Jordan won't take em, why would any western nation? Just reading your posts and Mikaels, I'm sure there is some immigration agent kicking himself somewhere. Seriously, what western nation would want a bunch of ignorant morons who clamor for violence an shariah every place they show up? In the spirit of helping, maybe you should first accomplish getting them into more like minded places, like Syria or Saudi Arabia. You could call that first base. Gotta crawl before you can walk you know. So reconcile that with the earlier part of your post where you openly admitted the Palestinians full support the murder of women, children, and innocents. The only excuse you offer is that somebody else does it, which is also BS. Even if it were true, do you think someone else murdering a child gives you permission, under Islam, to murder children? It tell us all about your brand of Islam that we need to know. No, they are not Muslims. Neither are you. Requires? Going to? These are present and future tense verbs. We were talking about 1948, something most of us consider the past. Why don't you try answering again, in terms of why the Palestinians could not accept a two state solution in 1948. I'm patient. Racist? Is Palestinian a race? Am I going to need to break out the dictionary for you now? Funnier still, It seems you missed the implication of failing evolutionary tests. Do you have a clue what I am talking about? I'll give you a hint. It has something to do with testing your ability to fly by jumping off a cliff. Sigh. You can lead a horse to water, but you cant make em drink. Yet another failed evolutionary test. I wonder how long you will beat your head against the wall until you realize it hurts. The wall may be mighty, but that doesn't make it right!!! Maybe if I studied science and math, I could build some kind of device to destroy the wall instead of using my head! The PURE GENIUS OF THAT!!! Nah, carry on. Its entertaining to watch.
Exactly.. and that is how I read it. So, if you have answered the question "WHAT WOULD YOU DO" as you claim you did, please indicate just where your answer is. It's what Israel does. As of course you would if you were thrown out of your home. No..what has 'got you' is your blinkered American gung-ho, might is right, let's bomb the bastards off the face of the Earth attitude. No wonder Americans vote for people like Bush, Palin and Romney. I don't think we have anything further to discuss. You clearly think that the illegal occupation of a country and the subjugation of it's people is perfectly acceptable - as you no doubt think that the treatment of the Native Americans was perfectly acceptable too. Frankly, I don't see how you can live with yourself but that's me! Not that I would want to wish it on you but I feel myself hoping that one day you find yourself in the same position as a Palestinian. I would just love to see you gather your family around you in the rubble of your home, devoid of possessions and money as you nonchalantly shrug your shoulders and say ...'Let's just accept it and move on'. Yeah right!!
Because in 1948 the Jews didn't want to the 2 state solution either. But the Jews do do want it today. The Palestinians only want the two state solution IF Israel is going to be a democratic state that will permit the 7million Palestinian refugees into Israel. LOL. Will Israel accept ? I think they should accept this generous offer.
So the Palestinians want their state and they want Israel too. What a joke. You guys are so transparent. I hope the next time the countries around Israel attack she kicks the everliving shit out of all of them one and for all.
I think that we waste our time Mikael. You are never going to get through to someone that thinks that subjugated and oppressed victims of injustice should just STFU, accept the injustices that they are suffering, pull themselves up by their boot-straps and move on. The fact that they have no boot-straps to pull themselves up with does not seem to register with him. I just couldn't go through life like that.... devoid of any social conscience.
Most of the western educated Palestinians dropped their struggle and have lived quietly in Costa del Sol (Spain), France, US, Canada. The Palestinian (Hamas) cowards, poor and uneducated remains brainwashing the young.
Yes. They want a Palestinian state next to an Israel that is democratic and that has more Palestinians than Jews. Why won't Israel accept this ? browntown, we both know that Israel cannot attack any of it's neighbours , including Hamas. In 2008 Israel went into Gaza and attempted to get rid of Hamas once and for all. Well that mission failed. Hamas is now stronger than ever. New missiles including the kornet have arrived from Iran and Libya. Sorry I didn't tell you sooner, obamanation, earlpearl and browntwon are Zionist Jews, you WILL be wasting your time by trying to have a meaningful conversation with them. As for for pooptalk , she's just a troll, this one is not interested in anything but trolling. Then you have robjones who's a redneck from Texas , he hates Arabs and Moslems.
@pladecalvo: I see you managed to avoid addressing even a single issue presented in my post, but I will, as ever, be happy to respond to your nonsense. Whenever you grow the cajones to address those questions, I'm all ears. I cant read the post for you. What I would do was stated clearly in the post and in several posts after. Move on. Succeed. Prevail. Israel targets buses filled with non affiliated non-combatants? Time to put down the crack pipe bro. Those people are dead. Get over it. Actually, its funny you mention it. It is people like you who keep people strong on the military in power. Is this where I thank you for you being you? Since you are busily misrepresenting my views, I'll address this one. While I don't endorse the treatment given Native Americans, I'll say this. If they were bombing women, children, and the elderly, out of hate from age old grievances, I wouldn't give a good god damn what had been done to them in the past. I would fully support any measure of force in dealing with the misbehavior of the present. That simply would never happen. I have more than a 2nd grade education. Frankly, the fact you readily accept of the murder of women and children as an objective to achieve political ends I find deeply disturbing. No, most people don't behave the same way Palestinains do when faced with worse circumstances. The Jews didnt, the American Indians didn't, practically nobody does. You call it strength, most everyone else calls it insanity.
Citation please. At least you acknowledge the Palestinians didn't want it but claim to want it now. Comic. In other words, Palestinians only want a two state solution if they can decide the goings on of the 2nd state. Hardly sounds like a two state solution to me. I appreciate your honesty though. Pladecalvo would still have the world believe the Palestinians are just a poor and abused group of people who are more than happy to let the State of Israel continue to exist. Always good to have you around as a reminder of what the agenda actually is.
The Zionists always wanted all of Palestine. The Yishuv’s leadership formally accepted the 1947 Partition Resolution, large sections of Israel’s society — including...Ben-Gurion — were opposed to or extremely unhappy with partition and from early on viewed the war as an ideal opportunity to expand the new state’s borders beyond the UN earmarked partition boundaries and at the expense of the Palestinians.†Israeli historian, Benny Morris, in “Tikkunâ€, March/April 1998. “In internal discussion in 1938 [David Ben-Gurion] stated that ‘after we become a strong force, as a result of the creation of a state, we shall abolish partition and expand into the whole of Palestine’...In 1948, Menachem Begin declared that: ‘The partition of the Homeland is illegal. It will never be recognized. The signature of institutions and individuals of the partition agreement is invalid. It will not bind the Jewish people. Jerusalem was and will forever be our capital. Eretz Israel (the land of Israel) will be restored to the people of Israel, All of it. And forever.†Noam Chomsky, “The Fateful Triangle.†The Palestinians knew about the Zionist plans, that's why they never accepted the partition recommendation.The United Nations only recommended that Palestine be partitioned, the Palestinians did not have to agree this. They did not agree. And the Jews got angry that the Palestinians did not want to share the land with them LOL .. so they took the land by force. It's so pathetic. It will be a Palestinian state, next to a Palestinian state. Hah. This dilemma Israel finds itself in is just so hilarious, don't you think ?
Ah! That explains a lot! ..probably because I get such feelings of nausea when I read people saying that oppressed people should just STFU and put up with it. I was probable also laughing to much to write when I read your idiotic comments saying the people who don't have two coins to rub together should up and move away to another country...and not only that but start a business too! Fecking hilarious!!! Give me the post numbers. Yes they do...and worse....like hospitals and schools. Just proves that you didn't bother to read that list of proven Israeli acts of terrorism that I posted doesn't it? Time to realise that Israel and people like you are becoming increasingly isolated by the rest of the world bro. No, those people are not dead...much as you would like them to be. They are alive and stand as testimony to Israel's shame. Not me bro. You views that oppressed people should STFU and accept it are here for all to see. You don't endorse the treatment given to the Native Americans but you do endorse the treatment given to the Palestinians, which was exactly the same treatment given to the Native Americans...stealing their lands, herding them onto reservations (read refugee camps) and leaving them to starve!! Your problem is that you look at the present without looking at the past. ...and do you honestly think that if the Native Americans had anything other than bows and arrows, spears and a few ancient firearms, they wouldn't have used them??? Laughable! Don't be too smug pal. I've helped many a pompous prick out of the gutter in my lifetime. ...but I don't!! It's actually you that accept that (as long as they are Palestinians of course) and you have the gall to accuse me 'misrepresenting YOUR views'!!! LMFAO! I challenge you to find any post of mine that advocates the killing of women and children for political ends. You on the other hand clearly advocate such a thing and people only have to read your posts to see that. Your attitude throughout this thread has been...'Palestinians deserve everything they get'. What an odd person you are that you see things that are not there and miss things that are there. I would...and so would you. You just aren't on the same planet as the rest of us are you? Of course the Native Americans reacted in the same way!! They fought back against the injustice until there was no fight left in them. You really do need to bone up on the facts man! No, I call it fighting injustice and I call it that because I happen to have a social conscience and care when people are treated unjustly....you clearly not so much.