H1 Tag - Have I Done This Wrong, (cheak my site )

Discussion in 'SEO' started by eyes2005, Mar 8, 2006.

  1. #1
    I wanted to include H1 Tags in my site,

    But didnt want them BIG AND UGLY, so i used CCS to reduce their font size to MINUTE. Infact

    They can be found right at the TOP LEFT of my site (they are in colour black).

    Check it -

    - > http://www.creditraising.com

    The reason I have hidden them is because I wanted to completely disguise them in my site so have made them black.

    THE QUESTION IS
    - Will this be ok with the Search engines ??? They cant ban me can they, as they are not invisible- the H1 Font colour is Black not navi blue.
     
    eyes2005, Mar 8, 2006 IP
  2. mjewel

    mjewel Prominent Member

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    You are asking for a ban from google. If a visitor can't read it, it isn't ok. I would immediately remove those h1 and h2 tags in the top left corner.

    This isn't what you want to hear, but you should forget about trying to get search engine traffic from google with the content you have on that site. There are a thousand other sites like this and they will be seen as duplicate content. This is a highly competitive sector and you will need a lot of backlinks from related sites (google shows no backlinks for your site) to even think of ranking in the top 200.

    You should try to find some other way to market this site or add some original content. As it is, it isn't going to get any traffic from google even if they don't ban it.

    It take A LOT of work to get ranked high in google for competitive keywords like yours - and much of it is not what you do on the site. Some of your competitors in this sector will spend well over a hundred thousand dollars in marketing. There is a lot more than putting up a site and waiting for the visitors and money to roll in.
     
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  3. eyes2005

    eyes2005 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks, but why won't it get any more traffic from google ?
    I have included the H1 tag, which helps sites get indexed better/faster right?

    thus the position in SEO will increase even if it takes upto 6 months...

    I heard you only get banned if your Text is invisbile(the exact same colour of the background)
     
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    mdvaldosta Peon

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    Dude, you probably won't get banned automatically... but you could if a competitor sent that page to Googles quality control.

    ... newbies always try to find the easy way... cheating won't get you anywhere. Learn to build your pages for your visitors, just in an optimized manner. Besides, google puts little weight on h tags anyways.
     
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    mjewel Prominent Member

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    You won't get any traffic because of the reasons I stated:

    It's pretty much duplicate content (many other sites offering the same thing).

    It's a highly competive sector and the sites ranking high enough to get traffic are established sites with a lot of backlinks.

    You are competing with a thousand other sites and if you aren't in the top 30 or so, you are going to get any type of significant traffic. Why should google rank you site ahead of all the other similar sites offering the same product?

    H1 tags have nothing to do with getting your site indexed. Your site is already in the google index. h1 tags might give you a slight advantage in SERPS, but this alone isn't near enough to help you rank well in this sector - especially with no unique content.

    Google's Matt Cutts talks about h1 tag abuse on his blog and how they can now detect this. It isn't going to help you and can only get you banned - which is something you certainly don't want. You really don't want to take this risk.

    Review the top ten ranking sites for the keyword you want to rank well and notice their PR, backlinks, age of site, and unique content.

    Google isn't stupid. They can detect colors that are close enough to be invisible to the visitor. The size of text you are using is also far too small to read.

    If you want to rank well with google, be prepared to put a lot of work into building backlinks. That is the key to ranking well with google. You could have the best on page optimization possible and still wouldn't rank without backlinks in this sector. You could start by submitting your site to the many free directories and then once you get some PR, try to get relevant backlinks. Ranking well is a process, not an event based on any one thing. You should be prepared to put in a lot of effort and not expect much for at least six months - and perhaps over a year. You really need to make your site unique and offer the visitor something different than the hundreds of other sites looking for traffic for your product.

    If you want immediate traffic, you could read the adwords thread and experiment with a small budget to see if you can find some keywords that will bring you traffic that will convert - although this too isn't going to be easy - and a large percentage of people lose money - at least initially.
     
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  6. eyes2005

    eyes2005 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for that info,

    I want to keep the H1 tags on my site,

    I can make them Black on the White background, right at the bottom of the website yea ? The thing is i dont want it to be part of my sales letter.

    so i can put the h1, h2,h3 tag words at the bottom, in black in Readable size.

    I knew backlinks help too, havnt done much of it tho, will do so though.

    Is this a good way to get backlinks - Add my website my signature... post to a forum topic at least 1-3 times a day, then when I post my website wil get displayed, so i am posting my website ona forum Everyday.
    Will search engines see this as a updated backlink ?

    Has it worked for anyone ?
     
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    You can put the h1 tags anywhere on your site, but it's better if they are at the top or at least in the fold (you can see them without scrolling). Don't use more than one h1 tag per page. h1 tags are something that worked fairly well a couple of years ago, but still were only one part of probably 100 different factors google uses in their ranking algorithm.

    Forum backlinks have very little weight, but every link helps a little.

    I run over over 50 sites and have been doing this for about 10 years. There is no magic secret. I can't stress this enough: Original content but more importantly, for google it's backlinks, backlinks, backlinks. Did I mention lots backlinks from relevant sites?

    You want authority sites that are about credit repair linking to you. Don't focus on PR, but authority sites aren't going to be PR0 sites. You will probably have a hard time finding people wanting to exchange links with your site until it has PR. You are going to need to wait 3-4 months for the next toolbar update for that to happen even if you get 100 backlinks today.

    You are going to need to add original content that gives people information about your topic (like some free advice, etc) or you aren't ever going to be a site google is going to rank high in the credit repair sector. There are people paying $10 or more per click for leads in this sector. That tells you how hard it is going to be to rank well in this sector. You picked one of the the hardest sectors to try and rank well for - and are trying to do it with a stock affiliate program. There are mortgage/loan companies that pay full-time employees six figures to do nothing but try to get their site to rank well in search engines. These are professionals who are doing it full-time and some of these companies spend millions of dollars in advertising.

    You might want to just forget about google and concentrate on MSN to start with. They will take any backlinks and it will be a lot more realistic goal for someone to start with. It's better to get a small part of a smaller search engine that nothing of the search engine everyone is trying to rank well with.
     
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    And don't discount MSN either, I've got one site their sending 8k uniques /mo and another 5k.

    And, dude, if you're not going to use H tags the proper way - you shouldn't use them at all. If you don't get past this whole "let me figure out a way to beat search engines" gig your on... you won't make it very far in this industry.
     
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    eyes2005 Well-Known Member

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    I have heard many times that original content is what se's love,

    Does that mean i have to update the homepage of my site reguarly ? or I can just update one of my links (eg, creditraising.com/articles)
    Will that be just as good, updating my articles page with regular articles, or does it have to be my homepage ?

    The reason i ask is that it will be hard to regularly add content to my homepage as it is just a sales letter and requires no more changing.


    MY MARKET

    Yes I realise i have chosen a very competative market. I plan to do another site seling somthing in a few months. But before I choose a market/niche, how can i see how competitive a market is, or how saturated it is with competition ?

    I want to find a market which hasnt got HUGE competition, how would i go about this/ what research methods would you suggest ?
     
    eyes2005, Mar 9, 2006 IP