Gun-control groups fear top activist was NRA spy

An NRA shill, Yet I DO NOT support the NRA. Do you love lying?

Right so some foreigner who starts by twisting the 2nd amendment, then claiming the term was NEVER used before without the intent of the military should be believed when he is proven wrong.

Not to mention yet again what the states thought of it and why the 2nd was even put into place in the first place.

One wanted for instance.

But right the founding fathers were such idiots that they gave the people the power to join the military, yeah right. The state does not 'need' rights to have a military, nor would it make any sense at all to give the people the right to join said military/militia.

Stox you have lost this, you have been caught in multiple lies, it's best you give it up in all honesty.

I have multiple examples of 'bearing' 'arms' and similar phrases that are around the time frame BTW that you claim 'never' were used for anything other than military, if you really want to be made to look like more of a fool than you already have been, I guess I'm game.

Either that or you'll be put on ignore, not decided here yet as you are simply to put it mildly, INSANE.

---it would not of been meant to mean military service, you are the only one spouting that insane logic, as you see above 'bear arms for defense of THEMSELVES' NOT THE MILITARY!

 

"[T]he people have a right to bear arms for the defense of themselves and their own state"

Right, because that couldn't possibly mean military service!

 

Yeah 'themselves' must mean military service. I love how you bypass the fact that the government would not need a 'right' to allow civilians to join the military. Especially when the power is being given to the people.

[T]he people have a right to bear arms for the defense of themselves and their own state, or the United States, or the purpose of killing game

I guess killing game must be for military service as well. Wow are you fucking nuts.

 

They aren't granting them the right to join the military, They are preventing the government from stopping them joining an armed, well regulated militia for the defence of their state.

 

Uh huh, so 'game hunting' is part of the military service is it? Defense of one self is part of the 'military' wow that's news to me and the rest of people with a brain.

If that were true then I guess the US is breaking or has broken the law before by not allowing certain citizens into the military. Your reading of the 2nd is awful at best, but of course when you rearrange the words and lie you thought you could make a case, too bad it failed horribly.

Since when does the government need the people to have the right to join a military, usually it's the other way around, the government simply forces military service if they wish. You actually believe you are correct which is sad to say the least.

Yeah no phrase or instance of bear arms was ever used other than military intent............

and again

Sure looks like those of that time were looking at more than just 'defense of their state'

 

"bring or bear, or cause to be brought or borne to the same Sessions or Court, or to any place within the distance of two Miles from the same Sessions or Court..... . . ."

Bring OR bear. There is no indication that this is using the term "bear" in a non-military context. In fact, I would say it is using the term in a military context, otherwise it wouldn't need to say "bring or bear". It very much suggests that possess and bear do not have the same meanings.

Quick, Try and find someone else who agrees with you so you can copy and paste their rhetoric in place of using your own brain to form an argument... This time though, try to find some text to steal that actually supports what you are saying.

 

Funny Stox your reading again is fully off, nowhere does it state military, there are tons of these that clearly show they are for civilian usages NOT military.

Still bypassing the 'for self defense' and 'game' I see.

Why don't you just give up? You've been proven to be a liar, do you really want to be embarrassed even more?

 

You rant about 'it never being used' but when I quote segments showing it was it's 'stealing' wow you're a trip.

BTW I would link to where I am getting these segments from, too bad it's a pdf saved on my system making it impossible.

 

"using AND bearing them"... Again, There is no indication that "bear" is being used in anything other than a military context, Otherwise there would be no need for them to say "using AND bearing"... Have another go.

You do realise that you are just pasting occurrences of the word and assuming it's being used in a non-military context, right?

Is the document you are using in place of original thought titled "what did 'bear arms' mean in the second amendment"? Why bother thinking when you can just copy and paste what someone who happened to agree with you wrote.

 

lol I can't believe this has gone on for the past couple of days.

 

Nor can I.

Even when it states in 'self defense' and 'hunting wild game' that still = military to stox.

Had he really wanted to learn he'd research the quotes I put in front of him to learn they are in a civilian nature, but you know he doesn't want none of that, that would prove him even further to be incorrect.