Guide to new MSN Optimization.

If you follow the advice posted at the start of this thread and continue to get inbound links, you can get your site to rank in the top 10 in MSN,

 

I'm a bit confused with MSN right now. I have four sites programmed, designed and SEO'd identically. 2 of the four are in #1 positions on MSN (one even being above prozac.com themselves ) and the other two are not even stinkin' indexed.

I've checked my logs and the MSN bot likes to visit, but that doesn't seem to matter. If I type in www.mydomainname.com in MSN, they're still not listed.

There is ONE difference though. The 2 which are ranked #1 are on their own dedicated web server with a Calss C IP address, while the other two have class c's but are on a shared web server. But the other two are on a web sever with another site of mine which is doing well in Yahoo.

Do you guys/gals think that your web host and server make a big big difference?

Thanks,

Uban

 

Im #1 for dog obedience training


Beat out a site with much more BLs too

 

Compare to google and yahoo, MSN looks more sensitive for H1 and H2 tags. I am not much convinced about IIS and apache. It can not be there.
Since last few days, total backlinks of my sites are changing continuously in MSN. Dont know why.

 

Currently aiming at new highs.


Its harder to rank for MSN for certain keywords if you dont have enough BL with good anchor.

Anchor text is number one thing here!

 

It is too easy. I'm lovin it and hope that MSN continues to be good to me.

 

I like msn it is so good right now. I have top results for my websites which is cool.

 

That's where the co-op network becomes a godsend. I don't know a faster way to get massive BLs with targeted keywords!

 

Yep I know.

I love it

 

thanks for the helpfull tips saintdw

 

Thanks for all the advice - I am doing well on Google and Yahoo, but on MSN I am hardly there. I just applied some of the suggested changes to my main site: younevercall-dot-com and i will report back how it does.

Sam Michelson

 

One more thing...

How concerned should I be about the physical location of the server. My website is directed to the US Market, but is hosted in HongKong for historical reasons...

I am afraid to move it because I could screw up some setting during the transition...

 

also posting on forums seems to help you in MSN, so much so that the sig I use on some forums brings one of my websites up!!!

 

It is possible. I checked three of my sites. Two hosted as virtual machines on the computer next to me. One hosted on my ISP's servers. All three sites are in the top ten for google, yahoo and netscape. Several get #1's. None are show in the top 100 on MSN.

First I though it was, as you said, virtual servers. All three are virtual servers. Two of them are on my personal machine, one is on my ISP's server farm. Then I noticed something very strange. One of my pages on one of my sites popped up in MSN. I looked at it and ... guess what ... no google ad. It was a page I had not edited to add my site template. It was the only page on the three sites listed in the top 100 for reasonable keywords on MSN.

Now, my genealogy site does not throw google ads either. It is a static site that has not changed, other than minor additions, in eight years. It is PR4 in google, in dmoz and well represented in the genealogy community but is not listed at all in MSN for revelant keywords (like my surname which is not particularly common).

The other two sites, one gaming and other computer tech, are on the same machine off my dsl line. Linux/apache/php virtual hosts. Both throw google ads. Both are in the top 5-10 for appropriate keywords. Neither in the top 100 for MSN.

Is it google ads? Is it linux/apache? Is it virtual hosts? Is it some combination of the three? Is it yet something else? I don't know. I suspect at least several of those are factors.

 

Relevancy and current info seem to make a huge difference

 

I rank in msn whether I try to or not, I think the signature links in forums give me a ton of power over there ...

 

I think MSN likes any links.

 

But there are tons of sites that are well-optimized for msn standards that don't rank. Don't you think that the reason so many on these forums have great success with msn is due to the fact that they have links from sources that msn likes?

 

I have 2 sites that do well in MSN (but not elsewhere).

I believe the biggest factor is backlinks, period. MSN may in fact like certain ones better than others (for whatever reason), but I've seen sites rank #1 with out the keywords even being on the page (not my sites but others).

Backlinks, backlinks, backlinks.

The more the merrier at MSN.

Just my $.02,
Conrad

 

MSN seems to like all links with keywords for anchor text. They also like good onpage SEO. I don't think just links by themself can rank your site past a competitor that has both links and good onpage SEO.