Guardian investigation uncovers evidence of Israeli war crimes in Gaza

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  1. ziya

    ziya Well-Known Member

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    #61
    israeli criminals are just ok for you. It is ok for them do crimes.

    Was Bush elected by democratic way ? Will it be ok to crush and destroy US cities just because they have voted for Bush ?

    You know , it is the dangerous way of thinking, to justify killing as many as possible because of result of democratic elections.

    Brilliant. "I'd be busy killing as many of you as possible" .. Can you repeat it again please ? And full scale war ? What does it mean ? Do you mean just killing everyone in Palestine (like killing as many as possible )..
    Nice logic. ..Fight and make them weak ..it would be easy to force them to sign any "peace" agreement . So you against the "fighting in court levels" ? Oh yea you support killing as many as possible .

    Was not it you , who told israel has enough weapons ? And was not you who told you don't want to be involved in this crap ? Then stop supporting israel (at least stop supporting their military ) You know , just be honestly and say , you dont want support Palestinian instead of telling you dont want to be involved in this crap.
    "Yeh, the weapons will continue to flow to Israel." And it shows the way how do you think to not be involved in this crap.
     
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  2. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #62
    no more than the Hamas criminals are ok with you.

    I hate bush as much as the next guy, but to compare him to Hamas? Please. When a US president gets elected on the platform that he will wipe some other country off the face of the map, if you were a citizen of that country, you would be stupid not to be thinking about how to either a) fight and win against the U.S. or b) capitulate/change in a way that that country no longer wished to wipe you from the face of the map. In the case of Israel, they have the capability to fight and win.

    I can't blame you for wanting Israel gone without sacrificing too much of your own blood, which is all the more reason they should make you sacrifice. If the price was high enough, maybe you'd change your focus do doing something productive.

    I'd look at the history of Japan in WWII. Japan was mostly defeated before the first nuclear bomb dropped but they would not surrender unconditionally. After Hiroshima, they had only a few conditions to surrender, which included 1) no occupation and 2) preservation of the emperor as Japan's ruler (no regime change). We bombed Nagasaki and those conditions magically disappeared. Japan moved on. Israel keeps striking truces with these idiots without requiring regime change and without requiring official acknowledgement of Israel's right to exist. They obviously haven't learned their lessons from history, and yes they do need to bomb the living f*#k out of the citizen populations of Palestine who keep driving and supporting this war. It would be the most humanitarian thing they could do.

    Personally, I don't want to support Palestine. Happy? As a nation, I think the president senses the resistance the U.S. population has to committing troops to this lunacy. That doesn't mean, however, the average U.S. citizen is opposed to maintaining, if not increasing the supply of arms to Israel.
     
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  3. gauharjk

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    #63
    I believe freedom loving citizens of the world should bomb the living f*#k out of the citizen populations of israel for ethnically cleansing Palestinians in 1948, 1956 and 1967, not to forget launching two murderous invasions of Lebanon, continuing to occupy foreign lands, the West Bank, Golan Heights, Sheba Farms, maintaining an apartheid control on Palestinians, destroying the Palestinian economy and social infrastructure, creating teh world's largest refugee population, ignoring the UN security Council and the International Court of Justice at the behest of a super-power.

    They will pay... a very heavy price... I promise you that...
     
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    #64
    Now you see, I believe you when you say that. I think Israel believes their neighbors when they say that. If its going to be a fight, why be a pussy about it. FIGHT! War isn't civil, its about victory. You side with Palestine, Israeli's side with Israel (hopefully). The funny thing is, you want other countries do your fighting for you, where as I think we should just give the side we like better weapons and let you do your own fighting. Good luck, both with in getting the countries of the world to do your bidding, and in your war. I really mean that. Where do I send flowers?
     
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  5. ziya

    ziya Well-Known Member

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    Yes I do agree with you that to compare Hamas with Bush it will not be right. Bush invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. You kidding ? Bush was called Iran , Korea and if I am not wrong Lebanon Demon triangle . I am pretty sure he would love to start the war with them too . Instead of telling to wipe , he had done it. ( look how many ppls died in Iraq . And why those had been killed and died ? Is there any one punished for it ? No one)

    So you supporting bombing (nuke ) Nagaski ? So your next sentence should be like this : "and yes they do need to bomb(nuke) the living f*#k out of the citizen populations of Palestine..."
    Well , well..And you call it the most humanitarian thing.. very interesting :rolleyes:


    Yes happy. Thank you ;) Then next time please dont write that you dont want to be involved in this crap .

    And don't know what about we can talk next time. You told everything I wanted to hear from you . You :

    1- Supporting or dont care about dropping nukes
    2-In your dictionary " the most humanitarian thing " is to bomb the living f*#k out of the citizen populations of Palestine ( or any other place)
    3 - Next and last. You are with supporting israel by arms. And you supporting israel, which means you are involved in this crap too .
     
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    so you are saying the only difference between Bush and Hamas is Bush had the power to complete his desires versus the Palestinians who ask others to do their genocide for them? Interesting comparison.

    Is WWII over? It seems the conflict in Palestine has been going on since 1948, with no end in sight. Yeh, the humanitarian thing.


    Why not? I don't. My opinions were presented as what I would do if I ran Israel. Obviously I don't run Israel, nor do I have any desire to.

    This appears to be our President's viewpoint, and after some consideration, you have to admit it would wrap things up over there.

    You have yet to argue against the idea that this would bring an end to the conflict, where as all other measures have failed for over 50 years.

    Not with troops. We in America have an infinite amount of money to throw at worthy causes such as welfare, socialized health care, and humanitarian efforts at home and abroad. Sending Israel a few billions of dollars in weaponry compared to our 3.5 trillion dollar annual budget can hardly be considered getting involved. Does the U.S. have a favorite in your ugly little conflict? Of course. Hell, we helped setup the state of Israel with the help of the U.N.

    How is this. You get Iran, Syria, Russia, and the other middle eastern countries who support palestine to cut off their assistance to palestine(quit being involved) and perhaps the U.S. would make similar concessions.
     
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  7. ziya

    ziya Well-Known Member

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    No , I don't compare them. "ask others to do their genocide for them? " Yes this is interesting too. Do you read what you post ?

    Excellent humanitarian solution for this conflict. I guess in last Gaza war , israel terrorist forces were just going by your logic . Nice logic, is not it ?

    Hmm .. What about civils ? Sure maybe it will end the conflict. What if I have another idea , lets bomb israel , it will end the conflict.. Are you ok with this idea ?

    You think about few billions ? You know what "few billions" doing ? If you support one side, it means you are involved, that is how I do understand this.
     
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    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #68
    Yes, and I don't see you disagreeing. Interesting.


    They clearly didn't finish the job.

    I LOVE the idea. The problem is, your people have been trying for half a century. Either do, or don't , but your pathetic attempts are just prolonging the inevitable.



    Our money is involved, just like Iran's money is involved. A few billion may seem like a lot to you, but it isn't to our president.
     
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  9. ziya

    ziya Well-Known Member

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    #69
    Thank you for debate .
     
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