Guantanamo Detainee Found Innocent, Set Free

So... Who supports the idea that they are turning terrorists because of the abuse by USA and if US starts treating those detainees well and lawfully they will not turn into terrorist (again) and blow themselves up.

Anyone??

 

What is so hard to get here Gtech.

Now since the supreme courts ruling it was ruled that the GC does in fact apply.

You and Toopac claim it does not.

Forget the before the ruling, the ruling makes the law and it is enforced.

If our troops did not follow the ruling is my point. you however of course will continue to twist in the wind and refuse to answer the question you continue to try to avoid.

Do you admit you were wrong on the GC?

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BTW I'm about to go to the gym so both these answers were in a rush.
It's so obvious you are doing anything and everything to not admit you were wrong about the GC.
What's so hard to admit to, even Bush is following it.

 

I have nothing to admit being wrong to.

You, on the other hand, are being held accountable for saying that our troops are no better than terrorists in gitmo.

Will you be retracting those words, or do you still believe gitmo prisoners are no better than US?

 

It must be quite difficult defending two positions at the same time, give the guy a break!

 

For those following along at home, where Gtech got owned originally and refuses to admit to it, so instead he continues to try to twist anything he can to avoid admitting he was wrong. It all stems from the fact that the GC does in fact apply, while him and toopac claim it does not.

It's so difficult for Gtech to be a man and admit he was wrong, no he'd rather make up lies, be deceitful and well his normal self.

 

Toopac said "They should be treated exactly how we treat theirs fairly. The GC doesn't even cover these infidels!"

So now you don't believe they should be treated fairly? Can we clarify whether your "they" is gitmo prisoners, or our own troops?

Do you still believe our troops are no better than gitmo prisoners?

 

On the Geneva convention.

Gtech I never said they were, give me a break. Admit you were wrong.

Toopac you're nothing but a mini Gtech aren't you.
2 positions, seriously. Being anti terrorist and pro american is 2 positions now that's funny.

Both of you refuse to admit to being wrong, both of you have proved yourself to be jokes and nothing more.

 

What part of the bold being not factual do you not get? The supreme court ruleD, ohyeah you were wrong on that and still refuse to admit it.

Gtech you are a JOKE

 

Incorrect. As we can clearly see, you claimed "US" were no better than gitmo prisoners. As such, you are refusing to retract those words of sympathy:

Nice try to completely change the issue, but I won't let you

Do you still believe "US" are no better than gitmo terrorists?

 

He always takes two positions. He's not man enough to stand up for what he believes in, so in an argument, he creates multiple positions. If you call him on one, he'll go back and quote the other position to say "see, you were wrong!"

He's been doing this since day one, and I've been pointing it out for as long.

He could be a man and admit that he was wrong for saying our troops were no better than gitmo terrorists, but that would severely damper his ego.

 

Grim, in theory it is easy to create laws that should protect us from Muslim extremists. And have all sort of laws we are used to to protect their rights.

That might work in the US. And in some parts of Europe.

It does not work when you don´t know who your enemies and who your friends are.

You`re dealing with a force stronger than common sense. Religious fanaticism.


You have no ability telling people who is going to blow something up and who is peaceful. That is the issue and the danger.

 

It looks to me like the "infidel" part confused grim, he doesn't know who you are referring too, I believe he thinks the "infidels" is you calling the terrorists a bad name. So he just may well be confused.

 

Additionally, it doesn't matter how do you treat them. They will end up blowing themselves anyways.

Look at the recent pictures.. Kafeel Ahmad, a well educated Indian youth, far from any 'American atrocity' or 'war crime'. With a choice to live a happy life and a bright future. What had he chosen? Blowing himself with his car at Glasgow Airport.

And what's horrible? It's not the only example.....

 

So still hide from the fact that you were owned Gtech.

Those of you who are siding him might want to look into how wrong he way before you spout off.

Laws good or not is not the point, the point is they are there, they are what we must follow.

I never called our troops anything, I argued against Toopacs incorrect, unfactual post.

Yet again Gtech you are a joke, a true coward, unable to admit he was OWNED.

 

What part of Gtech being incorrect confused you might I ask?
What part of the post was arguing against toopacs incorrect statement do you not understand?

Are you all so far up each anothers asses that you are incapable of seeing when someone is totally incorrect?

Ahh yes those 2 positions you can never point out

It's not hard to comprehend, even you should beable to.

Use the laws available to us to bring them to justice, is that so difficult. Ohyeah but you don't want to be lawless you claim, yet what more is there? Talk about having 2 positions, that would be you.

Mr not man enough to admit he was wrong and OWNED .

Ahh yes but I am not talking about creating laws, all I am arguing about is following existing laws. The laws Gtech was totally owned on, proven to be incorrect, the same with Toopac. The same rules/laws that GTech then fumbled trying to find a way to twist it.

You see I was arguing Toopacs post, he brought up the Geneva Conventions. If we did not follow what our supreme court ruled that would make us lawless, that would make us not following what this great nation was founded on. How hard is it to see that is my point? It's not hard to see, unless of course someone like Gtech wants to make an issue out of it, to bypass admitting he was wrong. Him and his followers will jump up and down at anything, simply to save face.

I'm all for being hard as fuck on the terrorists, us however being lawless and losing allies helps us how exactly? Being lawless is a good thing? If we do not follow the supreme court such as Gtech and Toopac continue to suggest as they will not admit they were wrong, then we are in fact lawless are we not?

This is trully a loss of all respect for anyone who posts such garbage or believes this. If you believe it come out and say it and don't worry I'll hold you as a joke for eternity.
Gtech is the one who changed the subject from him being wrong, not the other way around.
I argued Toopacs post yet again, jesus Gtech you trully are not this much of a moron are you?

Toopac was incorrect, the GC does apply does it not?
Him being incorrect makes an assumption that our troops should not follow our supreme court decision. They are following the supreme court are they not? The argument is against his post, not our troops.

FFS you simply are a joke

Yes terrorists will, I will not disagree with that. What does that have anything to do with our troops following the law of the land, the law that toopac and Gtech appear to think they should not follow?

Gtech you should get a job in smear attack politics where mindless drones believe such rubbish. Anyone can bold words to take something out of context, isnt' that what you continue to bitch about those against Rush do?

The bolded parts above are the true words to take into consideration, if you were confused you could simply ask. Typed words can be confused and easily taken incorrectly, but no you dont' want that, you want something to latch onto in order to take away from you being wrong and OWNED!

I started from the get go on this thread about obeying the laws of the land, that has been my only argument, simply obey the laws of the land and do whatever you can within those laws to the terrorists. You have proven you'd rather be lawless though, how very sad.

 

I support the idea, that has been academically studied and endorsed by the 9/11 Commission that our foreign policy contributes to the terrorist threat.

I don't understand why denying someone their rights helps defeat terrorism.

Could someone explain to me why we need a gulag as a tool to defeat terrorism? And while we are on the subject, what other democracies have established "black sites" (secret prisons) throughout history?

I'm only able to come up with Mussolini's Italy, and Hitler's Germany. They liked to imprison "terrorists".

 

Ahh, Yes.. America's foreign policy!! Right...
America's foreign policy is responsible for every terrorist activity in the world..


I remember reading an ex-terrorist's interview. The man was active in Afghanistan. He recalled how they used to laugh out loud when media was blaming USA's foreign policy behind terror acts. He commented - "We were happy because media was spreading a propaganda in favor of us."

 

Straw man response. I wrote "contributes".

 

Well, you avoided answering the question again pretending you answered it. The interesting part is that you've stopped arguing that the guantanamo bay prisons are legal and you've changed the subject.

Anyway, you can avoid the truth as long as you choose, the bottom line is that the US is holding prisoners illegaly and it's torturing some of them. This is one black spot that will remain forever on America's reputation.

 

I never argued that point, but it is correct.

You are welcome to support your friends however you wish. We are not holding your friends illegally nor has anyone, anywhere, presented any factual evidence of torture.

If you are so concerned about your friends, you should start a charity on their behalf.