Greg Gutfeld Proposes Building Gay Bar Next to Ground Zero Mosque

I am not saying people are doing right thing to build Mosque specifically to hurt them but I am just justifying that Muslims are not the one to start,all the hatred is started from non-muslims. I don't get the reason why they are always doing 9/11 9/11,there are thousands of people dieing here and there now a days but still you americans cry for 9/11.

 

I'm not an American, just FYI.

You say that everyone EXCEPT Muslims start hate, cause problems, etc. Can you understand why that might seem like something someone who is brainwashed might say?

Even if we say that the Muslims didn't start it, (which in this case they did when the first plane hit,) then someone still has to be the one to NOT act like a child.

If you called me a bitch and then I decided it was OK to call you a pussy, then you decided it was OK to slap me because of that, then I decided because you slapped me I'd kick you in the nuts - well, where would it end? Would it just go on and on forever?

Is there some commandment that says that Muslims MUST respond to anything that offends them, even if it's stupid?

Nadir, you might know?

 

As I mentioned earlier, many Muslims in the US, and in New York in particular, are outraged at the idea of a Mosque so close to ground zero.

http://www.hudson-ny.org/1346/mosque-at-ground-zero-muslim-view
http://www.illumemag.com/zine/artic...r-Speaks-Out-Against-Ground-Zero-Mosque-13210

As you can see by Mr. Gutfeld's idea, the proposal is not creating the type of "outreach" to the American community and improved relations the Cordoba project backers claim to desire. If anything, it is creating more anti-Islamic sentiment in the US which is exactly what we Muslims do not need.

 

a bit of good thing which i found while googling :


Islam doesn't teach Muslims to revenge from anyone. Yes, Islam does command the Muslims to repel evil with good and to forgive and forget, but Islam also on the other hand, prohibits the Muslims from being hypocrites and it commands them to fight the aggressors in the name of GOD Almighty. If you, for instance, come and slap me on the face, then Islam commands me to forgive you. But if I find you, for instance, hitting and hurting again and again, then Islam commands me to fight you and stop you.

Whether people speak evil of you, in your presence or behind your back, or they do evil to you in either of those ways, all is known to Allah Almighty. It is not for you to punish. Your best course is not to do evil in your turn, but to do what will best repel the evil. Two evils do not make a good.

Here are some Hadiths that tells about revenge :


Chapter 1644: Life for life

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Book 34, Number 4479:
Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas:

Qurayzah and Nadir (were two Jewish tribes). An-Nadir were nobler than Qurayzah. When a man of Qurayzah killed a man of an-Nadir, he would be killed. But if a man of an-Nadir killed a man of Qurayzah, a hundred wasq of dates would be paid as blood-money. When Prophethood was bestowed upon the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him), a man of an-Nadir killed a man of Qurayzah.

They said: Give him to us, we shall kill him. They replied: We have the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) between you and us. So they came to him.

Thereupon the following verse was revealed: "If thou judge, judge in equity between them." "In equity" means life for a life.

The following verse was then revealed: "Do they seek of a judgment of (the days) ignorance?"


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Chapter 1645: One should not be punished for wrong done by one's brother or father

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Book 34, Number 4480:
Narrated Abu Rimthah:

I went to the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) with my father. The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) then asked my father: Is this your son? He replied: Yes, by the Lord of the Ka'bah. He again said: Is it true? He said: I bear witness to it. The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) then smiled for my resemblance with my father, and for the fact that my father took an oath upon me. He then said: He will not bring evil on you, nor will you bring evil on him. The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) recited the verse: "No bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another."


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Chapter 1646: If authorities ask relatives of a slain to forgo their right, what should they do?

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Book 34, Number 4481:
Narrated Abu Shurayh al-Khuza'i:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: If a relative of anyone is killed, or if he suffers khabl, which means a wound, he may choose one of the three things: he may retaliate, or forgive, or receive compensation. But if he wishes a fourth (i.e. something more), hold his hands. After this whoever exceeds the limits shall be in grave penalty.


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Book 34, Number 4482:
Narrated Anas ibn Malik:

I never saw the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) that some dispute which involved retaliation was brought to him but he commanded regarding it for remission.


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Book 34, Number 4483:
Narrated Abu Hurayrah:

A man was killed in the lifetime of the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him). The matter was brought to the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him). He entrusted him to the legal guardian of the slain. The slayer said: Apostle of Allah, I swear by Allah, I did not intend to kill him. The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said to the legal guardian: Now if he is true and you kill him, you will enter Hell-fire. So he let him go. His hands were tied with a strap. He came out pulling his strap. Hence he was called Dhu an-Nis'ah (possessor of strap).


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Book 34, Number 4484:
Narrated Wa'il ibn Hujr:

I was with the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) when a man who was a murderer and had a strap round his neck was brought to him.

He then called the legal guardian of the victim and asked him: Do you forgive him?

He said: No. He asked: Will you accept the blood-money? He said: No. He asked: Will you kill him? He said: Yes. He said: Take him. When he turned his back, he said: Do you forgive him? He said: No. He said: Will you accept the blood-money? He said: No. He said: Will you kill him? He said: Yes. He said: Take him. After repeating all this a fourth time, he said: If you forgive him, he will bear the burden of his own sin and the sin of the victim. He then forgave him. He (the narrator) said: I saw him pulling the strap.


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Book 34, Number 4485:
The tradition mentioned above has also been mentioned by 'Alqamah b. Wa'il through a different chain of narrators and to the same effect.


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Book 34, Number 4486:
Narrated Wa'il ibn Hujr:

A man brought an Abyssinian to the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and said: This man has killed my nephew. He asked: How did you kill him? He replied: I struck his head with an axe but I did not intend to kill him. He asked: Have you some money so that you pay his blood-wit? He said: No. He said: What is your opinion if I send you so that you ask the people (for money) and thus collect your blood-wit? He said: No. He said: Will your masters give you his blood-wit (to pay his relatives)? He said: No. He said to the man. Take him. So he brought him out to kill him. The Apostle od Allah (peace be upon him) said: If he kills him, he will be like him. This (statement) reached the man where he was listening t the statement. He said: He is here; order regarding him as you like. The Apostle of Allah (peace ber upon him) said: Leave him alone. And he once said: He will bear the burden of the sin of the slain and his own and thus he will become one of the companions of Hell. So let him go.


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Book 34, Number 4487:
Narrated Uthman ibn Affan:

Abu Umamah ibn Sahl said: We were with Uthman when he was besieged in the house. There was an entrance to the house. He who entered it heard the speech of those who were in the Bilat. Uthman then entered it. He came out to us, looking pale.

He said: They are threatening to kill me now. We said: Allah will be sufficient for you against them, Commander of the Faithful! He asked: Why kill me? I heard the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) say: It is not lawful to kill a man who is a Muslim except for one of the three reasons: Kufr (disbelief) after accepting Islam, fornication after marriage, or wrongfully killing someone, for which he may be killed.

I swear by Allah, I have not committed fornication before or after the coming of Islam, nor did I ever want another religion for me instead of my religion since Allah gave guidance to me, nor have I killed anyone. So for what reason do you want to kill me?

Abu Dawud said: 'Uthman and 'Abu bakr (Allah be pleased with them) abandoned drinking wine in pre-Islamic times.


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Book 34, Number 4488:
Narrated Sa'd ibn Dumayrah al-Aslami ; Dumayrah al-Aslami:

Ziyad ibn Sa'd ibn Dumayrah as-Sulami said on the authority of his father (Sa'd) and his grandfather (Dumayrah) (according to Musa's version) who were present in the battle of Hunayn with the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him): After the advent of Islam, Muhallam ibn Jaththamah al-Laythi killed a man of Ashja'.

That was the first blood-money decided by the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) (for payment). Uyaynah spoke about the killing of al-Ashja'i, for he belonged to Ghatafan, and al-Aqra' ibn Habis spoke on behalf of Muhallam, for he belonged to Khunduf. The voices rose high, and the dispute and noise grew.

So the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: Do you not accept blood-money, Uyaynah?

Uyaynah then said: No, I swear by Allah, until I cause his women to suffer the same fighting and grief as he caused my women to suffer. Again the voices rose high, and the dispute and noise grew.

The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: Do you not accept the blood-money Uyaynah? Uyaynah gave the same reply as before, and a man of Banu Layth called Mukaytil stood up. He had a weapon and a skin shield in his hand.

He said: I do not find in the beginning of Islam any illustration for what he has done except the one that "some sheep came on, and those in the front were shot; hence those in the rear ran away". (The other example is that) "make a law today and change it."

The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: Fifty (camels) here immediately and fifty when we return to Medina. This happened during some of his journeys. Muhallam was a tall man of dark complexion. He was with the people. They continued (to make effort for him) until he was released. He sat before the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him), with his eyes flowing.

He said: Apostle of Allah! I have done (the act) of which you have been informed. I repent to Allah, the Exalted, so ask Allah's forgiveness for me. Apostle of Allah!

The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) then said: Did you kill him with your weapon at the beginning of Islam. O Allah! do not forgive Muhallam. He said these words loudly.

AbuSalamah added: He (Muhallam) then got up while he was wiping his tears with the end of his garment.

Ibn Ishaq said: His people alleged that the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) asked forgiveness for him after that.


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Chapter 1647: If the legal heir of a man who has been killed intentionally agrees to accept blood-wit, the slayer will be asked to pay him.

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As I said in my other post that if they are making Mosque to hurt families of 9/11 victims then they are doing wrong but if they are not building for that reason then its not bad and Allah knows better for what they are making Mosque.

 

I think the NY board should reconsider this issue. They should force the proposed Mosque to INCLUDE a large component for a GAY ISLAMIC center. Its the only way to go. Lets face it. Iran says there are no gay Iranian Muslims. New York is sort of a "mecca" for the Gay population.

The Islamic Gay Center could be the dominant element of the entire mosque. It should highlight gay issues from around the world. It would be representative of an Islamic element that wants to be integrated with the rest of the world, not the alarming fundamentalist element that views all who don't agree with their dangerous attitudes as enemies.

Every Muslim that is at all involved in this proposed center would have to partake in active Gay Muslim activities and interact in worldwide gay supported activities. That would be interesting and a refreshing change from the fundamentalist terrorists that look at Mosques as targets to blow up.

 

Superfrankie - don't hide behind quotes. I'm not talking about what the Qu'ran does or doesn't say, I'm talking about what YOU said. If it is OK for Muslims to do a bad thing because a bad thing was done to them (hypothetically - of course) then does it work the same way for everyone else?

This seems like an eye for an eye for an arm for a head. Where exactly does it end? Or will it go back and forth forever and always be right because everyone is wronging everyone else?

 

I'd normally look at these threads and laugh but I feel like saying something now. You people are saying it like muslim people who will attend that mosque didn't loose someone on the day those two planes hit the twin towers.

Anyway, everyone still has the silly idea in their head that Muslims did this horrifying terrorist attack? Think again noobs.

Watch loose change:

[video=youtube;7E3oIbO0AWE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E3oIbO0AWE[/video]

I hope I don't get flamed for this post (I'm kidding myself right?)

Evidence that George Bush was behind it all, this video isn't made by Muslim.

"In May 2002, Dylan Avery began writing a fictional screenplay based on the 9/11 attacks in which he discovers they were an "inside job". Based on his research he concluded they were not a terrorist attack involving only members of Al Qaeda, but rather that they were an attack orchestrated by members of the United States government, and started working on a non-fiction version."

 

Same here. Even I normally look at posts such as yours and laugh.

 

Awesome but I was specifically looking at these kind of threads.

 

I'm behind you GeekHang. It's nice to see another Englishman who's awake

 

They do. The mosque is being built to commemorate the deaths of the Islamic heroes, Marwan al-Shehhi (United Arab Emirates), Fayez Banihammad (United Arab Emirates), Mohand al-Shehri (Saudi Arabian), Hamza al-Ghamdi (Saudi Arabian), Ahmed al-Ghamdi (Saudi), Hani Hanjour (Saudi Arabian), Khalid al-Mihdhar (Saudi Arabian), Majed Moqed (Saudi Arabian), Nawaf al-Hazmi (Saudi Arabian), and Salem al-Hazmi (Saudi Arabian).

 

Have the to-be-building's owners stated that's why they're doing it?

It's interesting to see that none of the people you listed came from Iraq or Afghanistan...

Why can't the state or city of New York buy the land to avoid this controversy?

 

Why avoid the controversy?

First they blow up part of New York and kill thousands of Americans, then they build a monument -- on American soil to commemorate the event. It's a big F*** YOU message to the American people.

Personally, I can't think of any better way for Muslims to explain clearly how they feel about Americans.

 

Despite my views on who ultimately allowed or had a hand in the 9/11 attacks, I must say that I can't disagree with you Will. Not all Muslims will think this is a good idea, mind.

 

Right as usual.