Great Proposal For Obama's Healthcare System

That is what we in America call big government. Thank you for stating one of the biggest and most obvious reasons to oppose it.

That person, under our current system, would not be denied medical care. Only several trillion dollars to solve a non-existent problem like that one?

 

Obamanation highlights the depressing reality that those who oppose big-government, its agencies and departments in my country, are the minority.

Think I'll move to Iceland and join the rebuilding of freedom.

 

Salary cap? LOL. For who? The Citigroup CEO or the entry-level worker you hate the most?

 

Hey I know, let's have smaller government, less regulation, and let the free market do what it chooses. THEN it'll fix itself! </utopia>

I've said it before and I'll say it again and again until someone challenges the logic: A truly free market where everything is synergistic and businesses make the right decisions for our nation is a fallacy. A utopian ideal that can never become reality due to an infinitely persistent factor that all free market evangelists consistently (and comically) try to leave out of their arguments... Human greed.

I could sit here and cite HUNDREDS of misdeeds and flat out wrong policies that big businesses carry out every day to screw you over. Up until last year my wife was a personal banker at Bank of America and has told me enough things about credit cards alone that would make your stomach turn. Did you know that even if you have a flawless payment record with them on your credit card they can periodically check your credit and if they find discrepancies with another creditor they can raise your interest rate? They do these things for 2 reasons. 1 is because of greed obviously but the other is simply BECAUSE THEY CAN. Because there is no law against it.

That's the mentality you need to consider we are working with when you spout off small government deregulation free market talking points. The idea that the free market could stop businesses from raping citizens just because we have a choice is nonsense and a flat out lie. Yes I can say it's a lie because the fact that it hasn't already is PROOF that it can't. Nothing is stopping the free market from fixing itself right now. Think about that.

 

GeorgeB you're making one fatal assumption, and that is that we currently have a free market. There hasn't been a free market in America for hundreds of years. The US back in the late 1700's was the most prosperous and free place on the planet and we can thank laissez-faire economics for that.

What we have now and have done for a long time is fascism - the merging of state and private corporations. To see this as capitalism is sigh worthy. I remember once arguing with some daft students publicly speaking for their socialist party. One of their genius points was similar to yours: "Look at what the banks and the west have done! Capitalism doesn't work!". It would help if people understood what capitalism actually is first.

You obviously know very little about economics and markets if you think greed can't be solved. What do you think monopolies are? As far as regulation goes I support monitoring and regulation of monopolies and cartels, but probably no further than that.

End cooperation between large companies and you stop this "greed effect" because people can simply take their stake somewhere else. What we need is an effective platform for consumers.

 

The legislation is law - healthcare in this country will never be the same, let the chips fall where they may. There can be no freedom from something that is beyond anyones control as an involvement whether warented (by law) or not - free societies are not defined by freeloading but by laws / solutions universal for everyone....will be a momentous summer of politics leading up to the midterms.

 

Was this a purposeful strawman? Smaller government and less regulation are two separate issues(unless your regulation requires a bigger government). Cutting the size of government without even addressing the issue of regulation would be a great start.

God knows big government solves that issue.

@Brum: Great post. Once this health care bill fails, they will blame that on the few remaining free market elements of health care as well. Right now they use bad HMOs as the rally cry, forgetting completely the HMOs we know and hate were a product of Ted Kennedy.

Keep talkin. Seriously! If I were ever to revert to my alter ego in promotion of the same ideals, I would be making posts exactly like yours! Thanks!

 

Be real. This is a mixed economy, not a free-market. There's no need to be biased, it's equally fallacious to say that our economy is socialist, even though there are socialist components (as there are capitalist components), overall it is a MIXED economy. I call it corporatism or state-capitalism, most of us can agree on those terms.

Attributing greed to the market makes about as much as sense as attributing it to the government, since both play considerable roles in the economy. The tendency is to blame all problems on one of them so you can bring greater influence from the other. But how do you know which is to blame?