Google's Duplicate Content Filter

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  1. jonhy.pear

    jonhy.pear Peon

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    #41
    Do you think? What about the thousands of sites with free articles gather from article directories? And what about the Article directories? Generally, people submit their articles to many article directories, making article directories to have plenty of duplicate content. Do they will be banned soon or latter?

    JP
     
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  2. Old Welsh Guy

    Old Welsh Guy Notable Member

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    #42
    google does NOT ban sites for using duplicate content, unless they are trying to scam the SERP's on one domain. The duplicate filter is a FILTER NOT a Penalty it filters out duplicate pages at the time of search to ensure duplicates are not shown in the serp's NOT in its index. This has been pointed out in this very thread, so why are people making dumbass posts that are wrong?

    Rant over> LOL
     
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  3. ferret77

    ferret77 Heretic

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    #43
    I disagree, if youir site is over a certian percentage of duplicate content google sometimes will ban the whole domain,

    I know this because I have had something like 30 bans in the last couple months and because I can find no other logical reason

    I also think that maybe using the same template for websites can cause a ban too, I know it makes no sense but I can't seem to find any other logical reason why some of my sites are banned.

    I have had 5 or 6 unqiue content sites banned, some of them had a ton of reciprical links, so that may have a caused a ban, or maybe the the duplicate content penaltys applied to the links pages caused it, either way.

    But some were innocent, they had no recip links, no real extensive linking, like a few 3 way links, but they were all using the same template,

    It might not catch 2 copies , or catch it very fast, thats a totally different category then say amazon products
     
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  4. Old Welsh Guy

    Old Welsh Guy Notable Member

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    #44
    Hi Ferret. That is VERY interesting. I would be interested in looking at these sites in confidence if you would be willing! .

    I know that you are a seasoned pro so accept what you have said about them being banned. (Have google confirmed if there is ban?)

    I will PM you for more info

    OWG
     
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    costy81gl Well-Known Member

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    #45
    There are thousands of sites using the same php-nuke or wordpres themes. I don’t agree that Google ban sites for templates. Please give us more detail about your banned sites. For example, I have duplicate content on a subdomain. Will google ban the subdomain, or the whole domain?

    I’m curios how can bring money a site with duplicate content. I suppose that is too risky to use Adsense.
     
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  6. ferret77

    ferret77 Heretic

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    #46
    I know it makes no sense, and its totally illogical but I havn't been able to find any other reason, maybe because they are on the same shared hosting account with the same ip?

    What are you talking about?
     
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  7. jonhy.pear

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    #47
    Maybe because some black hat tecnhincs you applied to the sites?
    I don't believe either that is because duplicate contents or templates.
     
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  8. ferret77

    ferret77 Heretic

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    #48
    ummm if I applied "black hat" techniques I wouldn't be questioning why they are gone, I would just chalk them up as another spam site banned
     
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  9. Old Welsh Guy

    Old Welsh Guy Notable Member

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    #49
    That's a little bit of an insult on a valid member really isn't it.! I think if ferret had strayed into the dark side, he would have just shifted the content to another domain and carried on with things,. the LAST thing a black hat would do is complain about banning, it is like a white hat complaining about NOT being banned. BOTH are expected!

    Black-hatters just do what they do get banned and move on. No point in complaining as a ban was always going to happen, it was only the timing that was debatable :D
     
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  10. jonhy.pear

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    #50
    It was not my intention to insult here anyone :eek:.
    My point is that, even people who don't want to insert black hat technics in their sites with intention, for any reason, an mistake for instance, can insert black hat technics in the sites...

    JP
     
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  11. Old Welsh Guy

    Old Welsh Guy Notable Member

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    #51
    Sorry, I didn't mean to insult you by the way I phrased it. What I meant to say is that IF Ferret had used black hat methods, he would only have done so in complete knowledge of the risks involved, and would not complain about being banned.

    Now why didn't I just write it like that the first time LOL :)
     
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  12. Bompa

    Bompa Active Member

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    #52

    I have lots of duplicate content on my site and it's been growing
    larger and larger for three years.


    Bompa
     
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    #53
    Can you elaborate ?
     
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  14. Old Welsh Guy

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    #54
    This appears to be getting confused. When we talk about 'duplicate content' we are talking about pages of code being identical, or close to identical. Thousands of sites using the same RSS content as elements is not duplicate content, as those feeds make up a small part of the overall page content.
     
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  15. Bompa

    Bompa Active Member

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    #55
    No offense, but just because *you* do not know why your sites were banned
    does *not* mean Google bans sites for duplicate content. You are only
    guessing, yet you say "I know this..."


    Anyways, your post goes on to speculate that maybe it was your template
    that caused the banning, then you speculate that the reciprocal links may
    have caused the bans.


    It's fine to speculate, but please don't state your guesses as facts such
    as "I know this...".


    Bompa
     
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  16. Old Welsh Guy

    Old Welsh Guy Notable Member

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    #56
    I would agree that the same content across a range of sites all owned by the same entity and many ont he same server, plus cross linking is a ban waiting tohappen. But the ban would be for maipulation of the serps rather than duplication. Anyhow Time will tell ;)
     
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  17. Bompa

    Bompa Active Member

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    #57
    Insult? Valid member?

    Listen, how many webmasters in the universe have THIRTY sites banned in
    'the last few months'???? Not too damn many! The overwhelming majority
    of webmasters, (imo), have only 1 or 2 sites and those sites are so much
    within Google's guidelines that getting banned is never an issue. Yet, this
    'seasoned veteran', 'valid member' has THIRTY SITES banned, not in his
    entire lifetime, but in just the last few months!

    You are claiming that ferret's intention was to have all of those 30 sites
    within Google's guidelines. Yet, his batting average staying within Google's
    guideline is 0%. (0 for 30). How can that be possible?

    I say that ferret has opened himself to be judged by laying his cards on
    the table. He walked into the punch, so to speak. (Loose lips sink ships).


    Maybe he did just that and then decided to share his 'banned' experience
    in this WH forum?


    Gee Old Welsh Guy, you sure do know a lot about BH'ers, been there, done
    that? :)


    Bompa
     
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  18. Bompa

    Bompa Active Member

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    #58
    EXACTLY! The filter is search-word specific.
     
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    #59
    Looks guys I don't really care about the whole hat thing, it means nothing to me, if the sites break the guidelines then I would just say so.

    I'm sorry if I said "I know this" I should have said "I suspect this",

    I have had 5 or 6 AWS stores banned either for

    a) Duplicate content
    b) coop
    c) being part of a 3 way link exchange

    Now 2 of those 3 have not been cause for a ban, at least didn't used to be, wheras duplicate content has been a reason for penalities for awhile, so to me most likely the sites are banned for the duplicate content.

    That was not my intention, but it was my intention on a few of them and in most cases so far when I have just done content SEO with no questionalbe stuff, following all the guidelines the sites stay indexed in google.

    I still think in "my opinion" if you build a site out 100% duplicate content, at least big sites where you get thousands of pages indexed there is a very good chance google will dump your site.
     
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  20. Old Welsh Guy

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    #60
    Dumping and banning are different things though, and it is this that I want to get to the bottom of. The guidelines clearly state that one shouldn't have duplicate content across different pages. Google will see no reason to spider and keep in the index 100% identical sites, it is a waste of resource. So they might well stop spidering one or more of the sites. This is NOT a ban per se, it is simply a devaluing of the site to 'not required in the index'. The acid test comes when you place new content on the site, place a couple of decent links to it, and wait, often the changed content will get added to the index. = no ban, the site was just tagged as crap :).

    Bompa, I agree with what you say, but without having had a look at the sites (yet) it is all supposition.
     
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