Am I the only one that think that it is rediculous that a stupid Search Engine can tell us web masters what we can do or can't do? WTH do they think they are? If I want to link to other sites even if it is an Rx site then I should be able to do that without being penalized or banned or anything, right? Just because the Stupid Google can't handle inbound links and outbound links and spamsite with their shitty algo we have to do this and that to fit in?????? This is so rediculous so it's not even funny!! Who are they to tell us what we can do and how we have our sites setup? They have scraped our content and put it in their databases and they live off of us and we all should tell THEM what to do and not the other way round! How do they decide what is a bad link or not? With their "Report thy neighbor" policy? Google is all f-d up and I hope that when live.com comes out of their BETA version will take over the market and Google can site there wondering what went wrong!!
Mike, here is the thing with SEO today- you either get it or you don't! Google is the hardest to rank in but when you understand the things they are looking for it can be quite easy. With Google you have to earn their trust, take a step back or consult with a SEO or have members of the forum look at your site.
Google don't tell anyone what to do or who to link to. You just have to play by their rules to get listed well on their site. You can easily blok Googlebots from indexing your site if you have a problem with them scraping your content. I don't see what the problem is?
What I am saying is that you shouldn't have to SEO at all! They take what we have on our web sites and then they tell us what we are doing is wrong so now we have to change it so it fit's their needs to make money and if it doesn't fit their need then they won't index us. Next step is that they say they need to change again because everybody was spamming them with this new SEO technique so now we have to change again and so it goes over and over. Spammers are not dumb!! They exploit SEO techniques and all SEO masters out there has to change their ideas over and over again. Google should be able to figure out how to display our web sites anyway, without SEO!! I guess as long as they keep on band-aiding their algo we will all have to suffer!
Heh, well, google and the others would be very happy if there was no seo. Googles not the one seo'ing. It's all us webmasters trying to influence our rankings. They just have to deal with what we are doing. They would be happy to take our sites 'as is' (with no seo) and rank them the way they are. We haven't let them do that.
Google people become lazy instead to take this as a factor in ranking site lower beacuse it has some links that they find bad they will just deindex whole website. This will not make Google better search engine.
We don't! In an ideal world to Google there would be no such thing as SEO. It's SEO when used wrongly or by black hatters that make life difficult to the search engines. If they could get rid of any kind of on page manipulation I'm sure they would. That's not to say that there isn't a place for SEO when used correctly, but sadly if things were that easy then search engines would still be using the keywords meta to index pages. If you stick prurely to ethical SEO then I don't think you'll find your methods have to change much at all. We're still doing the same sort of things we were doing 3-4 years ago. It's only if you use less than ethical methods that you'll find yourself having to constantly change your plan.
live is shaping up good...i hope many people use it....it throws a few more relevent results for the searches i tried....
i agree with you mike, google has gotten too big for it's britches. Especially dealing with adsense... example.... If google saw a ton of fraudulent clicks on your ads, across different ip's, they'd ban you. Unfortunately for you, I would have made all the clicks, you would never even have known.... and now you're banned. Nice system huh? For those who say, "Well you'd just write to google and explain and they'll reinstate you"..... Even if that does work, tell me why you should have to do ANY extra work because I go and do something stupid? Until this is fixed.... we can all agree google has too much power. Come on guys, what ever happened to not being evil? "the government that governs best, is the government that governs least" - thomas paine
Google is adsense. Why would you expect them to tolerate theft. Whether it is this persons fault or that persons fault, they have to block it.
^ remember in school.... it's just about time to go out for recess, and the teacher says, "Everyone stays 10 minutes later because Jimmy was talking" you're the type that thought that was fair, huh? it's a shame there are those out there who want to cheat adwords advertisers.... but unless google can come up with another way to solve it, they're behaving unjustly. Period.
It's google's court, ball, referees, stadium and parking lot. If you want to play with them you stick to their rules. You don't want to? you have to go play at another place. Your choice.
I don't think anyone is arguing against that. The thread starter was simply making the observation that google is a dictatorship. It's true, if you don't like it, go elsewhere, but the point still stands.
Well, if you have millions of sites all wanting in your search engine, a lot of them trying to make a quick buck without no benefit to the user, and everyone trying to manipulate you, you will be a dictator too. It depends on the point of view. MikeSwede says "I guess as long as they keep on band-aiding their algo we will all have to suffer!" I don't know what's going on exactly on google code, but as a software engineer I can tell you this it's very hard to acomplish the "perfect" algorithm. I could imagine the guys at google loosing sleep over each change and the same problems they cause themselves after a new implementation.
Google is doing this, because the webmasters started to abuse Google's older algorithms which were not so restrictive.
Interesting thread...I think what's really at issue here is the fact that Google has to use algorithms at all. In a perfect world, they would simply review each site they were considering for their SERPs, and include and rank it (or not) accordingly. From an individual Webmaster's perspective, this probably seems very reasonable. The challenge, however, lies in the fact that there are millions (billions?) of websites presently on the Web, and the number added each day is constantly increasing. This makes it a virtual impossibility for Google (or any other SE) to consider sites on a site-by-site basis - which is the reason that the algorithms were created in the first place. The challenge with algorithms is that they can't even come close to human discernment, and thus, some sites are unfairly punished as a result of the actions of others. This would constitute the "rules of the game" in the present market, and Google takes the most shots simply because they're the biggest. But as already stated by others in this thread, Google isn't forcing anyone to create websites in alignment with their algorithms. Anyone who doesn't want to "play" can simply focus on other means for generating traffic. Sam
Even if google didn't have to deal with millions of sites, you still have the human factor. Why would your site would rank higher than mine? Trying to convince all these people that google's definition is the right one is something that's never going to happen. It doesn't matter if there are hundreds or millions of pages.