Google's 2007-Q3/Q4 PageRank (PR) Update

I dont think anyone knows for definate when the next pr update will be, not even Matt Cutts. We will just have to be patient and wait, i'm sure it wont be too long now!

 

We have only to wait and being patient

 

this actually sucks,now we are told not to apply for any paid links and to top that we actually have to report any sites that use paid links.i have no idea how to see if a site does have any paid links or not.i thought that google can easily find out if a site has any paid links or not by seeing the traffic it is getting.i mean,if a site is getting only 15 hits a month but all of a sudden it has sprouted 500 one way links,would that not be a red flag to the google team.so is this the end of all paid links?
are we new bloggers not to have any help at all?
what can we do to increase our PR?it is not like we all have oddles of dollars to throw around and get paid reviews[since that is something one can still do and something google cant do much abt]
what can we novie prgmers and bloggers do,can we still go abt getting paid links?hope someone here can help me.this really sucks big time!
frankly the more i see google doing this,the more it looks like Microsoft beating on the small guys!

 

PR is not important..
SERP and traffic is...

 

sorry but i have to disagree that pris not important as it does drive a huge amount of advertising and publishing nowdays.it may not have been important to start off with but it is very much now.if google is really serious on paid links then why do they not get rid off the entire pr system once and for all!
anyways i think that it is high time that someone filed a case against google for violation of the MRTPS act.since microsoft was held guilty under the same one,i think that we as webmasters should file a case against google.
it probably will be webmasters united vs google!
any thoughts?

 

NO thoughts about that..
But.. I MUST SAY...
that PR does have importance (great importance), if you are a link directory!

For other sites, it does not hold much important..

But i seriously guess... we should just WAIT...
Instead of bumping this thread again and again... and uselessly posting.... why not just wait..

where's P-A-T-I-E-N-C-E ???

 

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On what grounds?

METROPOLITAN REGION TOWN PLANNING SCHEME ACT 1959:
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/wa/consol_act/mrtpsa1959423/

and PR IS Important, even though it should not be. Google going after paid links is just their way of trying to scare more revenue for themselves. Don't believe me? Think for yourself.

Sure paid links go for $10-$40/month.. no big deal. But that is revenue that we are NOT spending on AdWords. Let's assume that there are 20,000 webmasters spending at least $40/month on a paid link. That's $800,000 in revenue that AdWords is NOT getting.

Now double that because most webmasters that buy links are buying at least two per month. Now we're up to $1.6 million/month or $19.2 million/year that Google's AdWords is NOT getting.

Not only that but a market for links could potentially threaten to cut into AdWords profit even more as larger corporations begin to buy links to help new websites on their launches.

Google is stifling their direct competition and if they succeed they will also increase their own revenue.

 

I don't agree with this. If I cant buy links, it doesnt mean I'm going to spend that money on adsense. Buying links and spending on adsense arent the only 2 available ways to promote your site. If I wasnt buying links I'd be spending that cash on new content, so Google arent going to see the cash anyway.

 

not true. Lets do some simple math here:

lets say you have 100 oranges in a barrel and you want to eat one. Each orange has a 1% chance of being eaten.

Now let's say that you look at the oranges first and you pickout the ones that are rotting or have bugs, now you're left with 50 oranges. Now each orange has a 2% chance of being eaten. But let's pretend that you just dont like the color of 40 of them so you toss them out for someone else to eat and you're left with 10 oranges. Now each Orange has a 10% chance of being eaten.

Now let's plugin advertising for oranges. If Google can cut out a competitor, especially a $19.2 million/year competitor, they make it much more likely that they will find some of that revenue coming their way. And since they created the market, they are in the perfect position to crush it and reap the rewards.

Ok so you're looking to advertise a website and you look at the market(barrel) for a place(orange) to put your ads(to eat). You look at Google AdWords, YPN, AdBrite, AOL Advertising, DClickAds, Text-Links on various sites and TribalFusion. Now let's say that you just don't like the features of a few of them so you toss them out and leave yourself with AdWords, AOL Advertising and Text-Links.

You really like the features of AdWords so you decide to run a campaign there, a campaign on AOL and a handful of targetted text-links.

Now let's assume that Google Succeed's in their bid to kill Paid Text links so the above scenario is reduced to just AdWords and AOL. Now let's assume that you had planned on spending $250 in total for the text links and that you instead split that purchase with the other two campaigns. So in essence Google just earned $125. Multiply that times the number of webmaster i estimated above and you get $2.5 million. Not a bad take for bossing webmasters around and telling them how they can and can't advertise.

Also, Google AdWords is by far the most used contextual advertising service out there which makes it even more likely that they will see a substantial increase in revenue.

AdBrite, YPN and other companies will most likely benefit as well but TLA will probably shrivel and die away because Google is basically axing their demand.

Sure every webmaster won't do the same, but some will. And if that equals increased profit for Google (which it will) then why should they not try to achieve it? After all they are just a business and every business wants to earn more revenue.

 

Whoa. Gimme a break dude.

 

PR is not important at all! May be, but so far, I've seen few sub-PR6 web sites with decent traffic and income

Age is only a number

Size never mattered

Women prefer our sense of humour - nothing else

etc.

 

The gooogle adsense orange is rotten though, the whole system is corrupt and supports the scammers. Let them clean up MFA site first then worry about paid links, which they can never really prove anyways.

 

Vic_mackey is right.

And dragons5, you are still confusing advertising with PR selling. Google is not out to kill advertising - they'd be stupid to try that for reasons already stated. IF TLA is being penalized, it's because, like many of the penalized directories, they were openly advertising their services as PR boosters. If they want to go back to selling links for advertising purposes, Google is fine with that - Google can and probably will still nullify the abiity of those links to pass PR but they won't punish anyone for buying or selling or publishing the links.

Follow Google's model: When you buy AdWords, you buy ads on multiple targeted sites that don't pass PR. Stick with that and you'll be fine.

If you buy links, buy them with the expectation of advertising / traffic benefits, not PR benefits.

And of course, if you do that, you'll probably stay the hell away from most directories.

You keep saying that. It's called denial.

 

How is buying text links not advertising? It is not OUR fault that GOOGLE'S model is messed up and that they count links.

Google needs to fix their model, not take steps to crush competition. Dollars to donuts says they don't give two craps about people's pr being raised through paid text-links. If they did then they would drop all of their PR nonsense.. at least to the public view so that people couldn't tell their PR.

Google wants webmasters to use them as a measuring stick, or else this whole thing would be over with by now. Why do they want to used? Buzz and traffic.. why else? I mean look at this thread for an example. Google has us so worried about the PR that we just keep spreading it.. an amazing viral marketing tool.. that's all it is.

No, it doesn't jive to me that they are doing this purely to make it harder to increase ranks in their search engine, sure that could end up being a side-effect but the end revenue is much more convincing.

I'm sorry that all of you guys are too busy hugging Google's nuts to see the truth.

 

lol

 

Getting rid of toolbar PR would solve a lot of their problems, but it would be a little like admitting defeat.

I guess it is probably something they are seriously considering but maybe they want to replace it with something instead of getting rid of it completely.

 

That's it..., thumbs up man
For a long time I racked my brain whether Google experts hadn't figure out that the only efficient way was to remove PR bar. With this explanation my curiosity is satisfactorily relaxed now.

 

Do you really think it would? I don't. Say there was no Pagerank tomorrow, something else would pop up even if it were a webmaster tool to rank importance of sites/pages.

 

I agree other tools would spring up but it would not be one huge company (gooogle) so there would be some competition and I don't think it would have the same effect.

The big downside for gooogle is I think lots of folks would not bother with their toolbar if PR wasn't there.