Google's 2007-Q3/Q4 PageRank (PR) Update

Pr update happened for all domains but Google refuses to export it to toolbar for now. it will do it, but every one keeps asking WHEN

 

I know there's another thread for this but that thread:
1) is mostly talking about everything else
2) everyone that actually talks about PR is just talking about when it is going to update instead of this thread where I'm thinking it already happened.

Examples
- my site went from N/A to 0 (this one you can probably find a million examples)
- howisavemoney.net went from 3 to 1 recently
- thesimpledollar.com went from 5 to 6
- many of my competitors became PR 5 from a variety of numbers before.

Like I said, I don't want it to be the same either but we run blogs and can create the most linkbacks (which causes PR changes the most).

One other thing to note is that the fact that your website doesn't change PR does not mean the PR update hasn't happened.

I hope I'm all wrong like I said, but I'm just posting my observations as "food for thought" for a slow Sunday!!

 

This could be a rollback. Rollbacks happen before an update on most occasions.

Col

 

Yeah, I've seen some PageRank update, too. All of my (1-3 month old) sites stayed at n/a though.

 

I agree with you but let's not overlook the fact that regardless if Google's first mission is to users searching for content that they are still a business. No one held a gun to Google's head and ordered them to go public or start up Adsense. They do have a responsibility now to the many people that make their livings from buying and selling ad space through Google's services. Google is being a poor business in that regard by not providing timely information that affects who knows how many small businesses.

Google can't simply ignore their Adsense customer base and leave them in the dark. They should step up and offer an explanation about why the page rank update is late.

 

well maybe not, maybe yes ... all that i know is that SERPs go crazy when PR update is due

 

For all pagerank freaks here some cool tool. CHecks you backlins and caculated what should you pagerank be according to the original algo. (old one). Its a cool tool... (not perfect but just one to bookmark. (Its in German but you'll figure it out)

http://www.x4d.de/backlinkchecker/

 

i suggest you to visit the sticky thread on this forum.

and i dont believe that pr has been updated

 

Google has stated everything pretty clearly except one thing, relevance. We all know that the best way to get to the top of the search engines is to have relevant links from relevant sites pointing to your pages, and most would agree that natural linking is the way to go.

Sounds pretty easy, but there is only one problem.

How do you get those relevant links?
Moreover, who is going to link to your site for free?
Who is going to blog about your site for free?
How many of your competitors are going to swap links with you so that you can pass them up in the rankings?

I can understand if google wants to nail sites that are clearly just trying to sell page rank and boost anchor text, for example, placing a direct link on a site like w3.org to porn.com would be a clear violation. But what if there is a link from dir.yahoo.com pointing to index-it.net (In my dreams of course)? Would I be punished for that? If so, why? They are both directories and therefore 100% relevant to each other, so why should I not receive a little pr love and serps? So what if I bought the link, it is relevant to my site.

But I guess yahoo would have to put a no follow on it because it might increase my pr right. If that is the case then how do I build up my pr if I am not allowed to get links from high pr sites that are relevant to mine?

The boys at google should ponder this (ADVERTISING is a paid form of communicating a message by the use of various media. It is persuasive, informative, and designed to influence purchasing behavior or thought patterns. source: http://www.learnthat.com/define/view.asp?id=162) a little harder before they start slamming the door on everyone. I am pretty sure they can relate to it, after all they do it all the time.

What google needs to do is use their paid links report to report sites after they have done a page rank update. If someone reports a site that looks like they have cheated the system to gain pr then google can look at the site and determine for themselves if the site has indeed done so. If the site has violated the guidelines then this should be visible in the google toolbar by greying out the page rank and dropping the site from their index once the site is caught.

The above is a alot better solution to the problem then just cutting off the page rank updates and giving false numbers to pages that clearly have done nothing wrong. This is not the army and therefore everyone should not be punished just because the fat boy got caught with a twinky in his locker.

 

this tool is good but dont show all bl

 

then if it not (was) why my pages form csarmy.com recived pr ? not the domain just some pages and some forum categories. Like i `ve said it happened on 8 JULY Could you explain this?

 

Haven't we seen Matt Cutts confirm previous toolbar updates on his blog?

To the best of my knowledge that hasn't happened so far.

 

I believe that the latest PR had happened and done. Some 8 of my older websites have lost their PR, from some PR3-5 they became "grey" bar... and some 12 of my new websites from grey bar now reflects white bar on the toolbar.

Google seems won't show/reflect "real" PR on the toolbar, "to discourage" SEO and profiting from it. IMO

 

Not sure is this has been mentioned before, forgive me is it has!

Was checking my Google Webmaster account this evening and notice that there is an odd message in the Crawl Stats for August...

"Your page with the highest PageRank
Aug Data is not available at this time."

Does this mean that the data is in the process of being updated or...

Has Google simply scrapped PR?

Oh I hope that they have scrapped PR!!!

 

Cheated who? Google? Banning sites for just trying to get what Google so much advertises is not a crime but a reasonable thing to do. Matt C can scream about paid links and nofollow tags. The fact of the matter is people will buy links regardless of what Google says. Their money, their choice. I believe that Google should focus on the amount of spam that is out there instead. If I want to buy a link with anchor 'cars' (willingly paying for it a certain amount of money), I think my site is definitely about cars.

 

I think you are right and the pr update is finished.

 

as some people say,there is a very long thread about this(sticky even) and you are filling this forum with the same obsession.PR export didn't happened yet and if you are somehow obsessed with this,check the sticky thread regulary.

 

By building a good site with good content so that other people recognize you as something worth linking to. That's pretty much where all my incoming links come from. And none of them were paid for and only a very small minority were by reciprocal arrangement (where the page or site content was relevant).

With the flurry of directories popping up in the last several months, I've also got a lot of free links of questionable value by having directories list me - not because I submitted them or requested it but again apparently because they thought listing me would add value to their sites/directories and or benefiot their visitors.

That's how.

Actually, I link out to competitors. If you're not afraid of competition, it's actually a very good marketing strategy. It says to your visitors, "Go ahead and check out the competition. And after you do, I'm confident you'll come back to me."

 

Oh come on vexx, why do all PR posts have to go into the Q3 thread?

Clearly this thread is someone trying to talk about a specific part of PR, maybe offering an answer to others questions. Why does this require burying in a currently 5527 post thread that has on many occasions gone so far off topic it could be included in anyone of 5-6 different threads/forums.

If you have no interest in the topic being discussed, please don't post about it - unless you want to rack up your post count inorder for you to post in other threads.

 

There will always be people out there willing to give away free links we know that. But let's face some facts. How many of those sites are from high powered websites with a very soild rep online. Let's also face the fact that it is easy to get links from other sites in markets that have low competition. But that is not going to fly if you are targeting a very competitive keyword. Those keywords come at a price and I think everyone knows that including google.

Granted. Some competitors do understand that a link exchange would be best for both sites.

But this still does not answer my main question regarding relevant links. How is google going to treat my link from dir.yahoo.com to index-it.net? I have yet to see a solid answer regarding this from anyone.