You all are used to say that GoogleGuys are sore. I just want to tell you about one Russian search engine Yandex (www.yandex.ru) with 2,200,000 uniq users daily. I wonder how many www.google.* has on daily basis? Okey, Yandex has so call IndexQuoting like Google has PageRank. The difference is that guys from Yandex think, that IndexQuoting (IQ) should tell about the importance of the whole site and only site owners can put the link to another site. So they do not count: 1) Redirects (if someone don't want to give you direct link, then he doesn't want to tell Yandex about the site importance) 2) Forums, BillBoards, GuestBooks and other sites where you can place your link without the permition of the owner of the site. It counts directories because sites are reviewed before placing the link And it's not all. They count only: 1) 1 link from the site and 100 links have the same power as 1 link to your IQ 2) They have thematic IQ indead. So 1 link from Gaming site is worth of 10 links from other sites if IQ of two site are equal and we are talking about Gaming site IQ boost 3) They don't have 0-10 scale. IQ is 10 divisible and it's from 10 to 109,000 for http://top100.rambler.ru/ site (Rating with 105,877 sites in it). You can see IQ here http://yandex.ru/cy?sort=0&page=1&oldhost=&base=0. Yandex spider only Russian language content so foreign sites have less IQ and the leader is intel.com with 15,000 IQ on 10th place. And believe me - it's very difficult to get IQ for your site and PageRank is just the game. The most trouble could be if GoogleGuys make ThematicPageRank and then it would be 10 times more difficult to get PR.
you have to consider what EXACTLY they mean by those stats. giving out an arbitrary number doesn't mean much (why do sites ever have public "hit counters"?) I'd say a much more accurate measure would be to take a russian site you control and see how many hits come from yandex and compare that to the hits coming from google.*
Easily ----- 11,000 from Google 6,500 from Yandex 4,000 from Rambler 700 from Go.Mail.ru (Google licenced) 500 from Aport.ru I don't understand what do you need it for? I mean Google traffic from the whole world www.google.* ... I have Russian language content and can't talk about other parts of Google besides www.google.ru
Google a year ago had like 200 million searchers a day. I believe that number's a lot higher today. Yandex only index Russian sites? No english sites in there right?
I believe Yandex is only Russian sites. My girlfriend is Russian, and I talk to her brother online a lot, and I think he mentioned it to me before as being the biggest Russian search engine.
Yes, Yandex indexes only Russian language sites (Windows-1251 or KOI-8R encoding). It haven't resources to index all Internet and it indexes Russian indernet rven two times slower then Google does. Yes it's the biggest Russian site that covers 75% of all Russian Internet.
There are some interesting ideas in there, some good, some dubious. 1. "IndexQuoting (IQ) should tell about the importance of the whole site." You bet. Most sites are largely dedicated to one theme or concept, and assigning drastically different ratings to various pages in them, as Google does, is bizarre. To assign a basic weight to a site as a whole relevant to various key phrases sounds like the beginning of a good idea (as always, the devil is in the details). Sites that have quite substantially different sets of content in different areas are a problem, but not one, I think, beyond reasonable management. 2. "Redirects (if someone don't want to give you direct link, then he doesn't want to tell Yandex about the site importance)". Much depends on what one means by "redirect": a straight 301 redirect ought not to be penalized--people do change pages names and directory names, and there is no way in the world to get everyone else's links caught up. But redirects of some sort on the linking site are indeed suspect. 3. "Forums, BillBoards, GuestBooks and other sites where you can place your link without the permission of the owner of the site." Painful to say here, but a sound idea. 4. "1 link from the site and 100 links have the same power as 1 link to your IQ." Sounds right here; I cannot think why a site should be allowed to "vote" in proportion to its page count, rather than its human webmaster count (of 1). 5. "They have thematic IQ indead. So 1 link from Gaming site is worth of 10 links from other sites if IQ of two site are equal and we are talking about Gaming site IQ boost". Basically a sound idea, but much depends on the nicety of the assignment of themes and the choice of relative weight numbers. 6. "They don't have 0-10 scale." That's not terribly material. One could easily enough convert cumulated numbers like the IQ to PR-style numbers (or even finer gradations, like a 0-100 scale) by using percentiles. Food for thought, anyway, and heaven knows Google looks starved these days.
I know the guys from Yandex personaly (Russia is a big country and Russian internet is very small and I know every second owner of 10,000+ uniq visitors per day sites). They just can't count IQ of each page of the site (have no processing power) and that's why they give IQ to the whole site. But they can do many other interesting things Google will never do: 1) They can look through all forums, billboards, guestbooks and decide wheather to pass or not to pass IQ from it (we have less then 100,000 such a sites and of course you can have IQ boost from very unpopular sites which uses self-made programs (vBulletin, YaBB, PHPbb and other just programmed into Yandex and automatically processed) and don't have "forum", "view", "topic", "post", "subject", "message" in their URL 2) The site for default is subdomain_name.domain_name.ru and by default www.domain_name.ru is equal to domain_name.ru. But then you can register to their directory and you'll have your thematic category and recieve a great IQ boost, because some links give you 2-10 time more IQ (don't know exactly). You can register www.domain_name.ru/directory1 and www.domain_name.ru/directory2 as two different sites and it will separate them as it was two absolutely different domains (sites) and they can have two absolutely different categories (it's the ansver to your remark about the whole site). Yandex catalog means even more then DMOZ for Google because of Thematic IQ and the absence of thematic category for the sites not listed in catalogue. And they take money like Yahoo to be listed in 5 days or you can wait eternity. But guiders review sites by their IQ and if you have great IQ you can be listed very quick withiut money. And even more ... They have lists of the most popular keywords sorted by the number of queries per month on different themes (read categories of their directory) and it's very difficult to get on 1st place for these keywords if you don't have the same category or just not indexed in Yandex.Catalogue. 3) But they give SEO's a present - anyone can register with Yandex.Keywords and have exact statistics on how many queries was on one or another keyword with number of SERPS for the past month. By the way such a statistics available for all russian search engines (you can try with "Nokia 6230" keyword: Rambler - http://adstat.rambler.ru/cgi-bin/wrds_stat.pl (even GEO shown by countries and then by towns!) Go.Mail.ru (Google licenced) - http://stat.go.mail.ru/ (like Google but the number of queries are shown) Yandex - http://direct.yandex.ru/ (need to register) They sell keywords targeted Image Ads for impressions (CPM) and all made these services for their advertisers but they are very useful for SEO's 4) They count checksum for each page and if it's 90% alike another page then it's semi-duplicate and not indexed! (Google can show up with 1 and 2 SERPS for 2 equal pages just with different URLS, Yandex never does). If it's 99%+ alike then it's dublicate. So they never index mirrors or alike pages (100K page and it's 95K print version for example when navigation gives less then 10% difference). Sites with a lot of semi-dublicated have penalty and with a lot of duplicated are forbidden for indexing so Disallowing in robots.txt some directories is very important for optimization. 5) They spider like Google but you can add url of the page with the form "Add site" and they request it immediately from your site and include it in 2-3 days to their index 6) They have AdWords and AdMarket/ AdMarket shown in search results and are catalogued into separate project Yandex.Market and you can always find the best price there because they are very exact with categories. They accept price lists from traders for AdMarket and process each string of price list and correct it if needed for example "Mobile phone Samsung C 100" could be corrected to "Mobile phone Samsung C100" to give 100% search compatibility. All these shown separately from search results (in the right column) and it's very useful to find the best proposals for books, for example, when you see all proposals from all Internet Book shops in the right column of search results (like Google Adwords). And they have Yandex.Direct which is shown adove Yandex.Market results also in the right column. I buy everything from books to Plazma-TVs with Yandex.Market through search results (it's 10 times faster then browse by categories of Yandex.Market. And every item have it's category link so you just need to find one item, click on Category, Good type, +Brand or even Modeland then sort by price and that's all you need) and always have from 10%(for Cars) to 50%(for books) discount of the price I could find in cheapest supermarkets or even discounters or specialized magazines, because 90% of traders don't even have their own warehouse and just books wares and brings them directly from central warehouse of general distributor to your home or office. 7) They have sighned agreements with all News agencies and show search results of ALL russian News agencies in the bottom of search results. When something happened you can always find it from 2-3 different news agencies in search results. All news are catalogued into separate project Yandex.News So I visit Yandex every day because it gives a great quantity of services besides just naked SERPS. Next time I can tell you about Rambler search engine (the second in Russia) which have uniq situatijn. About 90% of russian site are listed in it's Top Rating Sites and have it's code on every page and it figures importance of each page by how many peaple visits it in real!!!