Google vs. Microsoft

Discussion in 'Google' started by SEOGuru, Jun 4, 2004.

  1. anthonycea

    anthonycea Banned

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    #41
    OWLCROFT, Cut and paste the link and read it, there is about 10 hours of reading about Microsofts plans to convert passport into a AUTOID logon to do away with log ons and passwords across the entire internet.

    The link is in my post, you will need to take the time to study it, I hope Shawn will comment on this.

    You say your browser (browser what is that?) Bill Gates is going to do away with the browser also.
     
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  2. stephfoster

    stephfoster Well-Known Member

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    #42
    I know a variety of companies are trying, though. It was a topic in one of the communications courses I took in college. The combination covered in that class was GPS with cell phones, and businesses being able to detect when you are near the business, to run ads through your cell phone. That was about 3 years ago, so I don't know if it just faded away or not.
     
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  3. North Carolina SEO

    North Carolina SEO Well-Known Member

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    #43
    I've had the fortune/misfortune (you can pick) to watch the varied takeovers of Microsoft over several years. The concept of believing when seeing would be too little, too late if Microsoft truly desires to make the step. Ask those who were involved in Fox Software, Realtor.com and multiple others (not to mention Netscape). My statement here is the need to recognize what can and cannot happen and position yourself/business accordingly. Never underestimate the power/potention of Bill Gates and company.
     
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  4. Owlcroft

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    #44
    Yes, and Herr Schickelgruber planned for a Reich that would last a thousand years; and we have acquaintances who plan to win the California Lottery.

    Send me a collect telegram when you have news.
     
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  5. anthonycea

    anthonycea Banned

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    #45
    Owlcroft, I have another one for you, "Google forces computer users to install the Google Brain Implant" to use Google services.

    It is all funny Owlcroft, but when websites like Digital Point are forced to put the Microsoft (AUTO ID) interface in so users can log on, what will you do then?

    Did you read the article linked?

    You may not like the AUTO ID, but Mr. Gates has some say so here, don't you think?

    There are a lot of things we do not like, but since we have no power to stop change what will we do? What will you do if you get to the airport and need to rent a car and they tell you that if you do not have a credit card and a valid driver license then you can't rent a car. You will have to find a way to get a credit card, or you will walk or take the bus.

    If you wish to engage in online commerce you must accept credit cards, right?

    I love your posts and you have a lot to offer, thank you for your responses.

    :eek:

    PS I quit using telegrams at the same time I quit using Telex numbers
     
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  6. mushroom

    mushroom Peon

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    #46
    I have a problem with the statment in the 1st post

    When SUN is selling Linux http://wwws.sun.com/software/linux/index.html

    Is the rest of your post as acurate.
     
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  7. anthonycea

    anthonycea Banned

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    #47
    He was talking about taking out Google and Yahoo in search.

    Yahoo and Microsoft work together, even if M$ does away with the browser, I think they will integrate Yahoo into their search function.

    IBM is supporting Linux, so it is not going away, Sun is going open source now.

    All of these large companies, IBM, M$, Sun, HP, Dell, are working together anyway.
     
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  8. tlewis33

    tlewis33 Peon

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    #48
    Come on guys and gals!

    Its not up to msn, google or yahoo. Its all up to the webmasters who will be on top of the search engines wars. Search engines do not make us better webmasters, we make the search engines better. The average joe wouldn't care what search engine there using as long as they find what there looking for. For instance lets say Msn comes out with a engine with better results than google. if us (The Webmasters) dont agree then my guess would be that google will dominate as usual.
     
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  9. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #49
    Mmmmm... I don't agree there. Webmaster's wouldn't optimize for Google if end users didn't use it. It doesn't matter how great a webmaster thinks a search engine is... They get no traffic from it if there are no end users using it.
     
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    #50
    calm down will ya ;)

    microsoft has the money to do what it wants and will do so (they also have almost unlimited bandwidth)... we will pick up the bits after we know what they have done WHEN they have done it.

    I am a survivor of abuse, i am used to it *sigh*

    Just wish msbot would not change names and ip so i can ban it at the moment (but that IS a different topic).
     
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    #51
    I have told you guys to look out for players like IBM, who has more resources than M$ and Google.

    IBM could be the ASP of search engines providing back end for, Oh, lets say, a "Digital Point" search engine, I think you get my drift.

    There will be 100s of thousands of search engines, with back end service providers like IBM customizing data on a contract basis for these retail outfits.

    So the search will be a commodity with the data sold wholesale by companies like IBM (ASP) who have the computing power and retailed by other firms who will add value to it in one way or another.
     
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  12. Geir

    Geir Berserker

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    #52
    Only two results in google for "Norwegian Yaks", so I guess they won't do the job either :)

    (Since I am Norwegian, and saw something Norwegian mentioned, I just had to look it up...)

    :) Geir
     
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    #53
    Isn't it a dog eat dog world out there so when one weakens enough the others goble him up.

    And didn't M$ have $80B in cash a couple of years ago.
     
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    anthonycea Banned

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    #54
    Yeah, small companies like Gateway are in trouble, they are selling a lot of consumer electronics (LCD TV's) I think they bought "emachines" a while back.

    In the end those with the most $ and no debt stand, cash is important but being on the right side of the marketplace is important also.

    Sun has seen the light since they are in financial trouble, so they are now trying to get along with M$.

    IBM was burned by M$ in the past OS wars, but the game is not over yet, IBM is a big backer of Linux.

    So now we have a lot of folks thinking that the Google network of servers and API's will form a new OS with all storage of data in the Google server network.

    Ready for mobile computing?
     
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  15. Mel

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    #55
    I'll believe it when I see it. So you think the Microsoft have the money to do anything they want?

    Then why can't they build a decent operating system?

    You think that they are going to do away with browsers because the ability to search will be built into the OS? Come on now, the ability to search the web or your computer has always been right there just above the start button, but how many times have you used it?

    You think that MSN is building a better search engine because their spider is hyperactive? Tell me honestly how many of those 11,000 pages contain information valuable enough to a surfer to want to see them? Excellence in a search engine is revealed by what is displayed in the top ten results, not how many million pages it has behind that.

    MSN may indeed come up with a search engine that has more relevant results (I really hope it does, competition is always good, but the beta was terrible) but do you suppose that Google is just going to stand by idly and watch? Why do you think they are patenting all those search algorithms?

    MSN has shown itself to be clearly into monetizing any thing it can, in any way it can, and for the good of search we had better hope that Google or some other as yet unknown search engine will be able to challenge them, unless you want to pay for each search you perform.
     
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    #56
    I would be surprise if you said that Microsoft cant build OS. More than 90% of my web traffic is using windows XP
     
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    Ah! but you should note that I said decent operating system, not popular or monopolistic or...
     
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    #58
    I have no issues with the progress of the Microsoft OS. Once you "understand" it its foolproof.

    I believe Microsoft will conquer, but it will be no time soon. Google has too much of a clientele for things to change that drastically. It will have to be over quite a few years.

    Since everything will be done off your desktop, microsoft will be able to call the shots. Until google makes their own OS (highly unlikely) Microsoft will end dominant.
     
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    #59
    Inktomi and MSN are slurping far more material from my site - yet Google has every page listed as far as I can tell.

    There ARE markets Microsoft has failed to buy or destroy competitors in. Not many, but they exist. MSN is one example. Desktop publishing is another. CRM is another. And though they did become #1-by-far in desktop databases, they still have competition from Filemaker (and of course Oracle on the high end). Servers - Linux is a hefty competitor there.

    'Course it's a never-ending battle when MS wants your space. You have to deal wtih their ownership of Windows, ability to change the playing field, conversion of standards into proprietary formats, buying of government decisions, massive advertising dollars, ability to subsidize money-losing businesses indefinitely (thanks to the Windows/Office cash machines and massive cash reserve), etc., etc.

    Even if MS did lose money, whicih I don't see happening, they could lose money for years and years and years and not put a substantial dent into their cash reserve. (It's like Chrysler if Daimler hadn't taken over - they had $12 billion in cash, so that "really bad year" where they lost $1.2 billion would have been a NON-EVENT had Daimler not stolen all their money. 'Course in that "merger" the only reason Chrysler lost money in the first place was...Daimler. But that's a topic for one of my sites, not this one.)

    Anyway, Google is now like eBay, Yahoo, PayPal, etc - its momentum is going to be hard to kill. I for one have no intention of leaving "do no evil" for the MS/Yahoo twins and their (well, Microsoft's) record of perjury and crime.

    (Parting shot - as a labor professor once told us, never do business with the Mafia. No matter how small or insignificant your entry is, once you're in, your in. I wonder if that's true for any business with illegal practices. Either way, I don't intend to work with Microsoft.)
     
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    #60
    Google is moving up fast.
    M$ has the great advantage ofbeing in almost everyones PC, but as I heard Google is working on GoogleOS.

    Until then, the release nice tools like maps, dsearch, etc.

    I read a lot of articles that Bill Gates is not so happy anymore about Google.

    One more thing:
    Google HQ is located NEXT to M$ HQ in Redmont. And they are stealing employers..........
    :cool:
     
    adolix, Sep 28, 2005 IP