When has Diann ever called you a spammer? When did ANYONE ever call you a spammer? A JERK, yes...and plenty of other names...but I don't recall anyone calling you that. On the other hand, you've been repeating it about her for about 2 years now. SHE didn't create them. If she had a designer 4 or so years ago that did, then so be it. The last time I looked, you couldn't do CSS with Frontpage. I could be wrong cause I don't know CSS. But I can damn well assure you that SHE doesn't know it either. She obtained those rankings from years of adding links, and adding pages, and being grandfathered in....and being a legitimate real estate agent/company that had a stable host set up and working on the site night and day, day after day for years. This is just a blatant lie. You were never part of a group I was in. You were part of a group of people with SEO Guy long before you knew Diann or me. And I doubt if Diann EVER emailed you except to beg you to leave her alone. And the only unethical thing in any of this is you. I believe the last time you took ONE MORE SHOT at begging me to link with you was right after you shat on Mack...6 months ago, maybe? And I told you I still could not do it. For about the 4th time, I think. Sour grapes are so purple. Jan
You have me confused with someone else; the person you attack as 3 bricks short. You are the only one resulting to insults. I did not say directories, I said portals and local search. There is a HUGE difference.
Still waiting! She did not obtain those rankings from years of adding links, and building pages. She gained those rankings in the beginning from spamming and building duplicate content pages which increases the size of her site, or use to increase it. It seems Google has reduced her page count to 142 indexed pages from over 500. Thats a major drop. She now has those rankings from the link farm you have which offers each member thousands of backlinks, which we all know it is only to manipulate the serps. Plus the age of her site. You have to ask yourself why all your link farm partners rank so well. You are right you were never in it when I was, but Diann, Jeff, Jason, Jay and several others were in it. Most of you are to affraid to stand up against anything wrong being done by a link farm partner that has good rankings, cause you are to scared you will be kicked out of the group. Thats the difference between us. I dont care what the outcome is and if I got kicked out of your group. I stand up for what is right, not what I feel is going to protect my spot in your group. Thats called moral character. Speaking of character, how do your other link farm partners feel about their links being over 100 links deep on Diann's site. How do they feel about giving her a link, but her placing their links so far down her pages that they get no credit for them. Have them check their backlinks for their site and see how many of the links coming from Diann show up as indexed in Google. Then check her site in Google and see how many of their links show up in her index.
Whatever else is going on, I will confirm that the linking scheme on Diann's site does seem a bit dodgy and, while probably not a violation as far as Google is concerned, is unlikely to be doing most of the sites targeted by those outgoing links any good at all. Personally, I can tell you that I would not consent to being part of such an arrangement. However, if the recipients of those links are happy with a basically neutral value link, go for it.
minstrel, I should have stated it better, but what I meant was that any discussion I choose to have with you will only be SEO related as you have no clue about the issues debated in this thread. That said, I specifically addressed the issue of the number of links on the page with regard to crawlabilty, not amount of PR distributed. LVH, you make assumptions about home page links that Matt Cutts has already addressed. There is nothing wrong with those links. What you may want to consider is changing the font color of your site map located at the bottom of pages like http://www.las-vegas-homefinder.com/las-vegas-condos.htm#Turnberry%20Place%20Condos. While it isnt exactly hidden, it clearly isnt user friendly and the variables that show up in the url should be fixed. Google will treat that as a different url than www.las-vegas-homefinder.com/las-vegas-condos.htm#Turnberry Place Condos. This can trigger a dupe content penalty. One other item you may have overlooked is <p align="center"><font color="#CCCCCC" size="1"><A HREF="http://www.reguideusa.com/Nevada_Real_Estate.html"><font color="#CCCCCC">e<strong> located at the bottom of that page. Completely hidden, but more importantly, completely worthless link to a page that isnt indexed in Google. Perhaps if you examined your own site as closely as everyone else's, your ranking problems would be minimized. If you want help, ask. Just quit throwing rocks until you move out of your glass house.
I was first told about this thread a few days ago and even though I was mentioned I sat back and watched the bantering, but that is no longer the case. I have known Wayne for almost 2 years, but first learned of him through his original Las Vegas webmaster prior to that time and what to expect if he and I ever conversed. What I heard about him came to pass very quickly and I disassociated myself from him as I did others. Wayne, to say the least, is a very interesting person and has bad-mouthed me more than a few times and that will likely continue. He has a number of "endearing" traits one of those being he tends to embellish things and another is his memory lapses. Maybe the memory lapses are from football injury, or maybe not. He seems to remember what everyone else says and then puts his own twist on it, but can't remember what he has said or done. One of his recent memory lapses came on January 8th when he felt the need to fire out at Diann on Matt's blog on the feedback-webspam thread where he states, "In my defense I never mentioned Diann’s site by name and because of her actions I was forced to relay more information than I wanted to." It seems that he had forgotten on January 2nd (6 days prior) that he wrote, "If you look at www( dot )greatlasvegashomes.com you will see over 150 homepage links and if you check the sites they link to you will see those other sites with the same set of links as all the others. Another tool they use is www ( dot )relo-experts.com which is part of this link farm and the site owner of this links them from several pages inside his directory." I run www ( dot )relo-experts.com and that particular post can be found again at Matt's blog and the seo-mistakes-not-checking-your-site thread. There are more examples than have been compiled by myself and others who at one time linked with him or did business with him. And if it appears that I am biased towards Diann you would be correct. Diann is one of the top real estate agents in the country and is among the top 10 for Prudential in the United States for units sold. She is also a close friend and a client. P.S. When does one get to post URLs instead of encryptions? I'll take a cue from Wayne and do this: www (dot) mattcutts.com/blog/feedback-webspam/ www (dot) mattcutts.com/blog/seo-mistakes-not-checking-your-site/
As stated above, let her link farm partners find their links indexed by Google coming from her site. Check some of those same links coming from her partners and she will find them indexed for her site with Google. If some of them understood this, I promise they would be asking why their links from her site are not indexed by Google. I dont see this as an assumption, Google states in their webmaster guidelines. Homepage links have no other value than to manipulate serps. Yahoo has been smart enough to realize this and has penalized for it. I dont see myself as the ONE living in a glass house, I have not been the one caught spamming. Thanks for the advice on that site but seeing as how it is going to become something different, its not important.
The issue of that "linking scheme" was brought up at WMW in Las Vegas as was a similar one posed by a photographer that links to other photographers and vice-versa. This all came about in the meeting with Matt that was started in the hallway by 2 of my clients, Bob Wilson and Jeff Manson, and was then moved to the cafeteria. What started out with about 15 people grew to over 200 in an about an hour. In attendance at that get together was Diann, Jan, myself and number of others that are in this so-called "link farm." Most of us are in the picture which can be seen at: www (dot) mattcutts.com/blog/bigdaddy/. Matt looked at the "linking scheme" and found nothing wrong with it since it was industry related. For those that don't know Jeff Manson is the one that named "Big Daddy." Also at that time I was asked for my feedback on Jagger spam reporting and whether it was successful. Two sites that were reported had be removed within 24 hours of being reported which Matt really liked, but were readded in 30 days because their spam issues had been corrected.
The assumption is that the purpose is to manipulate. Funny that when someone finds something with your stuff, you say it doesnt stink.
Three Bricks Short: Lets make sure we get a clear understanding of what people think about you. This is one of your link partners. I keep all emails so I guess its time to dig those out and show how you and the others try to manipulate your competitors plus conspire to. Plus I will see if I cant find our emails to and from eachother. We want to make sure all is clear. How about this promotion of yourself Jay, So you are a big Seo Guru who gets invited to speak at conferences HERE LMAO you are full of BS as I have stated. Below is just a few emails I have saved from one of your link farm partners. I think it shows how two faced all of you are. I think she is referring to your directory Jay and even she knows you are a jackass. Oh yes the big man Jay, going to take on homegain, maybe if you mortgage that 130k home you have, you can maybe afford a personality before you go to negotiate with them. Jay I dont have millions and millions but my pool cost more than your home. This goes to show the metality of the link farm group, if someone goes against the high ranked link partners, they remove those who dont abide by their wishes, its BLACKMAIL. So Jan has stated here she didnt think Diann would spam on her own but admits in this email that she is aware Diann is using a spam technique known to cause a ban. I don't blame Wayne one little bit for harassing him. I'm tempted to do it myself...but I don't like to get in the middle of stuff like that. [/QUOTE] This is from an email from Jan relating to you Jay. So this comes from one of your link farm partners. This is an email from Jan (luvdavy). So if I understand this right based on what she sent. Matt doesnt seem to think its smart to have those homepage links, but according to you Jay we get a different story. Dont worry Jay I am getting around to you. I have to load my other computer to pull up those emails to show who is full of &^%$ here. BTW how did that trademark violation go with you?
Wayne, Let's give others a little background on this one. It used to be I read your posts purely for their entertainment value but then I found you could be a wealth of information particularly from a post that you made on realestatewebmasters over a year ago. This is during the time I had put up the spoof site under c21usa and you posted how you had contacted Century 21, plus provide the contact name, and phone number and how they were going to come at me for trademark violation. I had my attorney check into it and guess what we found? Century 21 had let the trademark C21 (serial #73368406) go dead on August 21, 2004. It was then applied for in my name (serial #78539909) and the call was made to your contact. She basically read me the riot act and how they were coming after me. I asked for what and it was over the use of C21. She told me how they had already won suits against others including Ask's Barry Dillar's sites (lendingtree, etc.) That's when she was brought up to date. The conversation turned real sweet and real quick. I have not heard from them since and it's likely not over but I have since heard from Dillar's people. Thanks for the heads up and does that answer your question?
Unless there is something I have missed condolux has not been in any of my directories for over a year nor does condolux link to me. Jan, correct me if I am wrong.
Yes Jay it does, but what I cant figure out is why would someone who is self proclaimed to be smart, would use a trademarked name, not to mention stoop to the likes of a 6 year old child to put up that spoof. Whether you like it or not, Diann was caught spamming, you have been caught in the past violating trademarks and lying, Jan has been caught lying, so I believe it is clear here what your motives are. Jay admit it, the reason you dont like me is because I was the only one in the group who knew you were full of ^%$$. I told everyone it was a bad idea to link with your directory at that time. I can be a big ass at times but I do speak my mind, whether you like it or not. I dont compromise my ethics or morals to fit in. I truly do feel bad for some of Diann's link partners, they are the ones being taken advantage of if you feel this isnt a link farm. Guess you will have to mortgage that home of yours or lose it to a lawsuit.
Wayne, You are about a year behind the times. I traded that home in on a doublewide and a pick-up truck with a camper shell and got $20 to boot.
Don't knock being a 6 year old too much it can be fun as evidenced by: www. (here's one of your dots again) jimmiewayne.com
Sounds like a sweet deal Jay. Maybe you can also pick you up a radioactive piece of land here in Nevada to placed that fine doublewide on real cheap. Jay I never would have insulted you about your home, but when you made the comment about maybe I should save my money to sue you. I thought you should know why I didnt, you dont have anything, so therefore it would have been a waste of time and money and I wanted you to know, I knew that. There is nothing wrong with living a a home thats only 130k, it doesnt make you a bad person but when you go around talking about all the millions you have, it doesnt make sense living in a home that cost 130k. I dont have the millions you claimed to have had but my home is worth 7 figures. Does that make me a better person, NO... but when get into a pissing contest and you insult my financial stability, you are asking to have a pot shot sent back at you. The only difference between your pot shot and mine, is I did my research.
Funny site, I wonder how much extra bandwidth you might use on your hosting or server company when it becomes popular. I would create something similar but I hear bandwidth can get expensive.
Everytime you post something about me I've found my hits go up as does my income and of course my bandwidth. With enough of your posts and subsequent hits maybe I will make enough so I can replace my Commodore 64 server. If that happens I'll donate the server to the charity of your choice and use the money you are making me to pay for the extra bandwidth. Keep the posts coming.
Thats nice Jay, it seems you have made a habit out of using others trademarks. I found a nice little post about your relo site. I guess you need the income, cause between Century 21 and Relo, I guess violating both their trademarks is going to cost you a pretty penny. Thanks for pointing out its about me, this no longer makes it a spoof
I have been gone all day long, and of course came home to find that Wayne has finally shown the world what a jerk he really is...first by posting supposed emails that were of course supposed to be private, and then by having altered them all over the place as well. I'm sure I may have said some of that stuff, but I'm also sure that parts of it have been changed and added to...since I know how I write, and some of it is not my writing. However, since I don't know how much of it was really my writing, I will say this....I did not know Jay personally back then. I DID advise my friends, who at the time were NOT Diann, but several others who were not in the original elite group which was made of Diann, Jeff, some guy in California that I can't remember, and possibly Jay? The friends that I advised against putting a page in his directory were PR4's at the time and his directory was higher. I told them it was unwise to do that because he was getting stronger every day, and his pages for them would soon outrank their own sites. I think Jay and I have discussed this since...it was probably 3-4 years ago that I said that, and again, I did not know him personally. I therefore find it unlikely that I would have called him all those names that Wayne interjected in what he posted. I think, as always, Wayne includes just enough truth to what he says to make it sound believable, but adds enough bad stuff to make it sound far worse than it really is. At any rate, Jay and I have been friends now for several years at least, and anything I wrote that far back has nothing to do with anything now. What is really sad, is that part about Gibbons removing his links to Annette. What Wayne DIDN'T say was that I was defending WAYNE, and Bill G removed his links to ME and anyone else that linked to Wayne. So now my foolish and wrong defense of Wayne way back then has been not only proven to be the worst case of bad judgement I've ever made about another person, but has actually been thrown in my face by the very person I defended. That is about the lowest of the low right there. I also did not know Bill Gibbons personally at that time. He gave us all links, noticed we were linking to Wayne in a days time, and then emailed us all to say he was sorry, but he would not link to ANYBODY who associated with Wayne Griggs. We are also talking about a homepage link from a PR6 website...and it might have even been a PR7 at the time. I could have abandoned Wayne and kept that nice powerful link...but I didn't. My stupidity apparently knows no bounds. Wayne, all you've proven with this is just what pond scum you really are. I'm very thankful that I no longer have to be tainted by your nastiness. Jay, be real proud of your little trailer... The last time I heard, Wayne's so called "swimming pool" was in fact a house that he was renting. I could be wrong, but I suspect if someone checks, they'll find that he doesn't own anything...much less a million dollar house with a pool. Somehow I don't think his poor wife's salary working at Eckerds would have gone that far anyway. Jan