Thanks for the response livingearth, did you think the noframes tag was in the wrong lcation. If so why do you think it is placed there? Also I thought I would post this from something Matt Cuuts said at the SES.
You take pot shots at people in public and are way off base. Put up some proof or shut up. Perhaps putting you into some kind of context will help people see thru your steroid induced rants and rages. Google this: "wayne griggs" nfl europe. Scroll down to the 1992 season. Followed NFL in Europe when stationed there and this guy takes the cake. Small world finding Wayne the Pain here.
Who am I? WOW! What a question. Tough for many to answer honestly, so I googled the the question and found this: http://everystudent.com/features/source.html Perhaps later we can tackle another biggie like the meaning of life, or "Why am I here"? Minstrel, I deleted the sarcastic comment because I couldnt be positive whether your projection quotes were for my benefit or LVH. Either way, I knew you would weigh in on issue you know nothing about. Psychs tend to be predictable that way. LVH has a long history of personal attacks on others that often border, and sometimes cross the line of libel. Yet those rants here were overlooked, with the only questions aimed at those who try to put it in the proper perspective. Now if we get back on point, does anyone here with a clue about SEO think that a few links on a framed page is responsible for that LV site ranking as well as it does? I hope not. The real issue is LVH gets bent (not to be confused with "is bent") with the fact the she gets links and does home page to home page links that LVH cant get anymore. He cries spam over and over to who ever will listen. He tells Matt Cutts that his algo isnt catching this stuff. Well, Cutts knows about it and doesn't doing anything about it for a reason - there is NOTHING wrong with it. Its no different than the SEO bloggers who all link to each other. Time to accept reality (http://www.calldrmatt.com/SelfDeception.htm) about the effect of links as they pertain to a link based algorthim. Its also time to stop enabling this guy (http://www.elinewberger.com/enabling.html - scroll down so you dont miss the part about projection). If anyone is truly interested in helping LVH, then evaluate his site and help him help himself, instead of listening to him put the blame for his rankings on everyone else. BTW, you are wrong about Google not crawling past 100 links. This is an easy theory to test and has been done many times. Oh, and thanks for the therapy offer, but I'm covered.
My "projection" post was aimed at the thread - the number of people, like you, who have jumped in to complain about LVH "slandering" or "libeling" or just plain lying about certain other people and to use the very tactics they purportedly disparage in LVH to do so. Your posts have been a case in point. Now back to the question: In what way are you linked to this issue and to any of the main players? Are you another DMOZ editor, perchance?
You have no idea what the facts are, so your opinion is irrelevant, as is your question. My ties to Dmoz are not the issue here. and I will not discuss it, as I never debate the value or integrity of dmoz, which is where the discussion invariably goes. I will disclose that I have sites in dmoz that rank well and sites that are not in dmoz that rank equally well. My opinion on the value of dmoz links is identical to that which Fathom has covered ad naseum. The only question that matters is the original one posted by LVH. He has reported this LV site on numerous occasions and nothing has happened. He has stated elsewhere that he doesnt believe Google acts on spam. That isnt the case. I know of several sites reported via Google spam reports that were removed from the index within 24 hours, the webmasters notified via email about the action and the cause, and reinstated 30 days later. The reasons ranged from hidden text to very effective and well done cloaking. Why have you not asked LVH questions about his motives? Why did you not react to his attack on the person who created the real estate directories? <added> actually, I dont care how you answer the last two questions. Your opinion doesnt matter.<added>
You're evading the questions... Are you a DMOZ editor? How many sites do you have listed in DMOZ? Do you know either or both of the other three posters here -- Diann, JustTheFacts, luvdavy -- who have, like you, been attempting to distract the thread from the questions raised about the practices and links to DMOZ of the principals? I don't have a personal axe to grind here -- I just get suspicious when I see these tactics in play because it almost always means that those engaging in them have something to hide and that the original accusations have some substance.
Minstrel, Nobody is trying to distract anybody and nobody works for DMOZ here. You and the other guy jumped to that conclusion and you're looking for conspiracies and unethical practices the don't exist and never HAVE existed. I don't know why I'm wasting my time trying to explain this again, and I swear I won't bother anymore after this. There was some accidental left-over hidden CSS crap on Diann's site. Wayne blew it out of proportion and posted it all over the internet including Matt's blog, once again attempting to boost his own position by bringing down his top competitor. He emailed me when he did it and said he was going to post it all over the forums as well to get it noticed. You were DUPED. Go look at Matt's blog...Wayne is all over it with the same crap, and then complaining over and over because Matt won't take any action to the spam...that NO LONGER EXISTS. Wayne doesn't understand framed sites, and still thinks there's something wrong there. I assume you DO understand framed sites? The first person that mentioned DMOZ was a friend of Diane's who IS NOT AN EDITOR but took the time to find some stuff to post, and you all just assumed he was and started screaming foul. The second person I'm not sure about yet, but neither of us know any editors at DMOZ...god knows I wish I DID know some. I do know some that are probably MY competitors and have caused me some problems, but none that have ever helped any of us. Getting in DMOZ is always nothing more than being lucky enough to have a category that has a good editor instead of none, or a lazy one...or a competitor that purposely keeps you out. Nobody here has anything to do with them at all, I promise you. I read some of your stuff in your medical forums, and you're as smart as I used to think you were, David. I think you are feeling sorry for Wayne because you think we've ganged up on him and he's just pitiful and misguided. That is NOT the case. If you have a medical term for just plain "MEAN", then you've got a good label for him. He has enemies all over the place and Diann has friends everywhere who are sick and tired of seeing him attack her and try to damage her reputation and business with his untrue accusations. We have all begged her to see an attorney and get this crap stopped, because it looks like that is the only way it's going to end. You are too smart to be deluded by a Ted Bundy. Everyone he's burned (and I'm NOT one of them, thankfully) refused to listen to the warnings and things they heard about him, and then found out why it was there. I've been in your shoes, and learned. You will too eventually. But please stop trying to put the wrong person as the bad guy here. It's frustrating that you don't see this. Jan
I accept that as a possible explanation, espeically for your involvement, luvdavy. As I said, I am cynical about "Resource Zone" distract and divert techniques when I see them and I was seeing them here. I also must say I find it hard to believe JustTheFacts is not a DMOZ editor - and that raised another red flag for me in this thread. This latest guy, Deci something, isn't contributing anything except personal attacks and that too is a red flag. Perhaps Diann's friends should understand that using these tactics actually makes it look like there is substance to what LVH is claiming (I don't mean the issue about frames but the others).
The fact that Google mentions the 100 link per page maximum repeatedly in their Webmasters Guidelines is yet another uncovered Google conspiracy intended to confuse webmasters. THANK YOU for exposing this Deciuj! Sounds like a second opinion may be in order. Why not just answer minstrel’s questions Deciuj? It appears as though every time Wayne posts something of substance, he is pounced upon by several anonymous detractors with vague allegations and innuendo of past wrong doings in an attempt to misdirect and confuse. Seize the moment and strike down your evil opponent once and for all. Be specific or be gone! ~VegasMack
Everyone used to stay out of the conflict...but this has been going on for several years now. Everytime we think he's moved on to another target or gotten better about the continual harassment, he starts it up again. It upsets her, which is EXACTLY what he wants, but then it upsets us because SHE'S upset and we know how unfair it is. This time, he went on for about a month on Matt's blog and ran it in the ground, and then came here posing as an innocent webmaster asking a question. This was not the case. He just thrives on the conflict, and hopes that it has a side effect of damaging her business and distracting her from day to day peace and enjoyment of what she's worked so hard for 20 years to accomplish. It gets us all riled up..which again is what he enjoys. Our bad. Jan
That hasn't happened EVER, Mack. You know how long he's been barking and trying to hurt her. You ought to be able to figure out the players on here too. I can't believe you've gotten over what he did to you to such an extent. You say he apologized. Did he pay you? None of my business except you chose to talk about it to me when it happened. I think we should all just let this thread go down into the murky depths from which it was extracted to begin with. Jan
Perhaps you missed this part - crawling isn't the only or even the most important issue: Making my point for me... you're doing it again. And which doesn't address any of the current issues or answer any of the questions put to you about your involvement in this. I don't think your wishes will determine the direction of this or any other thread at DigitalPoint. If you wish to leave the discussion, just be careful not to let the door hit you on the butt on your way out. The rest of us will decide what we will or will not discuss.
As stated earlier in this thread, I consider you, Diann and Wayne to be friends however some questions have come up that need to be answered Jan. I have seen Wayne’s screen shots and they are far more substantial than you have indicated in this thread. That being said, I have given Diann the benefit of the doubt that it is left over coding from a former webmaster, but please do not attempt to paint it as something it is not. It was hidden links and hidden text in the html, not the css file. Posts here by JustTheFacts are very disturbing Jan, and your explanation does not dispel our suspicions unfortunately. I want to know if the DMOZ editor that removed www.vegas4sale.net is the same editor that made recent changes to Diann’s site. He/She took the time to edit Diann’s site (with God knows how many sites in queue) but claims to have put my site back in queue due to being categorized as an Agency site vs an Agents site (over a year ago). Please understand my suspicions. ~VegasMack
WOW, it seems Diann has called in the troops, I guess after calling me a spammer and never being able to show any proof, now what she has been shown to be doing must make her and her friends look foolish. How do you accidentally create hidden css spam, thats priceless. If her site is removed how does this help me move up, LMAO I have a ways to go before that. My issue is the way she obtained those rankings. We all know that Diann has complained about those who ranked above her and has filed reports against them. Take LVrealty as an example, she use to complain about them in emails all the time when they were ranked above her. I am sure those who read the thread can understand why you want this in the deep depths. I believe it has been shown that this site mentioned was using spam techniques. Now Google has dropped her number of indexed pages, but this could be a result of the new algo or they noticed what she did. This is almost to funny to respond to, but let me give it a shot. The person with the directories is as stated 3 bricks short of a full load. This person smiles in your face and stabs you in the back when you turn around. How many Realtors did this guy screw with his directory using blackmail tactics. Just like the guy in Florida who he told the listings in his directory were free and then a month later he goes to the guy and tells him those listings were going to be $99 or something like that and if he didnt pay that the directory owner was going to have to give those pages to the Florida guys competitors. So maybe my motives are related to his character and the fact the guy is a liar. Just to give a short example of this persons mental state. This can all be verified by a past webmaster. I got a new site in Atlanta, at this time this group was using sitewide links, we were still developing pages in my site, I had added this person that is 3 bricks short to over 200 pages, we had not finished the directory yet on the site, which added another 120 or so, I get an email from this moron telling me that if we dont add him to the other pages we have in the directory ( which wasnt finished yet )that he would remove us from his site. We had not added him or anyone else yet to that section because it wasnt finished, to save a lot of extra work which we explained to him we wanted to wait so we could setup an include file, but he wanted to cry because he didnt get his way. This is their mode of operation. They bring multiple people in to say the samething to try and discredit what is being said. I know this for a fact as I was part of this group once. I use to get emails quite often talking about how we should attack some of their competitors. The reason that I am not in this group any longer is because I dont take shit and I have morals when it comes to doing the right thing. The only one good thing I can say about this grp is they do try to protect eachother, but its the way that some of them try to that is unethical. The proper perspective being only their perspective is right and no one elses opinion matters. Would this about sum up what you are trying to say Deciuj. Homepage recip links, I think others here will agree are dangerous, so you are right I cant get them and I dont want them. It almost sounds as if you are suggesting, reading between the lines of course that these links are being used to manipulate the serps, tell me thats not what you are saying. I have stated that the algo hasnt caught this spam. If it had Diann wouldnt be ranked now.
You dont want to mention your time as a major creator of the success at Microsoft, as one of their top programming engineers. That is the problem Mack, it is just one of my made up rants about Diann. They still refuse to see the extent of the spam and can only in defense try to misdirect by questioning my motives. Mack is a competitor, lvrealty is a competitor and several others are competitors and yet you dont see me complaining about them do you. This is because they DONT SPAM. They deserve the rankings they have. Oh I forgot to address one small issue. As for me trying to steal Diann's agents, I will beg to differ. This agent contacted me, not the other way around.