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Google versus Yahoo Results

Discussion in 'Google' started by compar, Jun 10, 2004.

  1. Owlcroft

    Owlcroft Peon

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    #21
    That is one of several reasons that, if at all practical, one's site name should contain its keywords.

    "Site name" is an amorphous concept--it isn't something as definite as a page <title>. But if it is what shows up as the <h1> on your index page, and is what you invariably refer to the site as, that fairly well defines it for others.

    Then, when other folk link to you, just by using your site's "name", they are necessarily putting relevant, keyword-significant text in the anchor. It is a *lot* easier to get others to link to your site by its common and apparent name than by text you suggest.

    If, for example, "hurdy-gurdy music" is your ideal keyword phrase, calling your site "Hurdy-Gurdy Music through the Ages" or "The Art of Hurdy-Gurdy Music" will assure that anyone linking to your site by it's "well-known" general name has your keywords in their anchor text.

    That isn't always practical, especially if you have several almost equally important keyword phrase, but it's a good point to start from in your thinking.
     
    Owlcroft, Jun 11, 2004 IP
  2. anthonycea

    anthonycea Banned

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    #22
    BOB (Compar) and Owlcroft, I think you both should write a few books, too bad you are giving all of your secrets to us here at Digital Point, you are going to make Shawn a fortune.

    Yes, but he gives you guy's links back to your sites, so I guess it is a fair deal for all.

    Thank you guys for the data, we need more of this, a lot of folks are using "Do it yourself" website building software supplied by hosting companies, you know WYSWYG cut and paste site building tools and really do not understand a lot of HTML, XHTML, PHP, Java script, CGI Scripts and all the rest and how to make it all work to W3C standards.

    Might as well just hire Shawn or another programmer that understands web standards, I know I never will.

    So these lessons will not insult anyone here, don't assume that folks don't need help or understand these complex programming technologies, because most of us do not understand these things.

    Keep up the good work guy's and don't worry about making Shawn rich by putting your secrets on DP, just think, if folks think you guy's are smart they might click on your links and use your services, thanks again.
     
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  3. stripersonline

    stripersonline Well-Known Member

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    #23
    Getting back on topic...at least somewhat ;)

    I tried the Mcdar Google-Yahoo tool - it shows the following:

    Google: pages - 9970 backlinks - 86 A - 7 Links - 10,300
    Yahoo: pages - NA backlinks - NA A - NA links - NA

    Yet a search on Yahoo for domain:www.stripersonline.com shows 2,150 - linkdomain shows 2,610

    Is it possible there's a problem with the tool? Or am I missing something here which is entirely likely :)
     
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  4. compar

    compar Peon

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    #24
    She threw the tool together quickly and I don't think she even attempted to pickup those parameters from Yahoo. I think the only thing the tool looks at is the SERP placement.

    She is gone for the weekend and she may correct me on Monday, but that's my understanding.
     
    compar, Jun 11, 2004 IP
  5. stripersonline

    stripersonline Well-Known Member

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    #25
    Thanks. My bad, when I read your first post in this thread I thought I saw you mention that the site you were discussing wasn't showing any indexed pages at Yahoo...but when I just re-read it, I see that it was Google you were referring to :)

    The Yahoo SERP position on the tool is very helpful :) Except I'll never understand how for one of my primary search terms my site can be #1 in Google and #304 in Yahoo...really weird stuff.
     
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  6. compar

    compar Peon

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    #26
    Well my example is exactly the opposite. Nowhere in the first 1,000 for Google and #8 on Yahoo. Who can possibly explain these things?
     
    compar, Jun 11, 2004 IP
  7. anthonycea

    anthonycea Banned

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    #27
    Who can explain these things? Larry, Sergey, Craig Silverstien and the rest of the Google gang, hold their feet to the fire and expect answers instead of the same old, same old.

    They need to be accountable to their customers (webmasters) who buy ADWORDS, their content providers (webmasters) and their partners (webmasters) who put their ADSENSE programs on THEIR websites.

    If a company is not responsive to their customers (webmasters) then they will not survive very long.

    How does GOOGLEPIZZA.com sound to you, I think they could give PappaJohns a run for their money, I can see Sergey in a pizza delivery car speeding down Main Street right now. :eek:
     
    anthonycea, Jun 11, 2004 IP
  8. North Carolina SEO

    North Carolina SEO Well-Known Member

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    #28
    They would just find ways to put ads for other companies on the vehicles!
     
    North Carolina SEO, Jun 11, 2004 IP
  9. anthonycea

    anthonycea Banned

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    #29
    MH, you are right, with 95% of their sales coming from advertising, you have to wonder why folks think of Google as a search engine.

    If you look at Google programs, they are mostly means to deliver advertising and leads for Google affiliates.

    Look at the toolbar, many make claims that it is used to make Google a better engine, but really it is a data mining tool, a MIS delivery gathering device for Google. They get to look at all of the users page views so the user can look at a Page Rank Gauge.

    But it blocks POP UP ADS, yes it blocks all of Googles competitors ads from the viewers eyes, I wonder if it also blocks Google ads?

    So getting back to the subject matter of the thread, I think that Google search is compromised by all of the redirection of traffic (trademark lawsuits claiming redirection of trademarked keywords to the trademark owners competition) in the SERP's and by favoring pages that run ADSENSE and by dilution of search results to force webmasters (Google Customers) to buy ADWORDS.

    Let me get off of the soapbox for now.

    By the way, you and Shawn are in the running for the comic of the day award, my vote goes to you for your last post, sorry Shawn.
     
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  10. stripersonline

    stripersonline Well-Known Member

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    #30
    Because a company is not defined to the customer by how that company makes it's money but by what it offers the customer. If an "All Things Widget" made 95% of it's income through advertising, would the people that rely on the website for widget information think of it as a widget website or an advertising company? :)

    TimS
     
    stripersonline, Jun 12, 2004 IP
  11. schlottke

    schlottke Peon

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    #31
    I have actually seen new sites of mine in yahoo take the top spots and then drop back out of site. I just assume its because I havent worked with them lately.
     
    schlottke, Jun 12, 2004 IP
  12. anthonycea

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    #32
    What Google offers is a array of ways to deliver ads, not a stand alone search engine.

    Examples of what Google really is right now.

    Data mining company building profiles on its users.

    An advertising company that delivers ads by many different tools used by customers.

    Tools used by customers so Google can deliver ads include.

    Google search

    G-mail

    Blogger

    Froggle

    Google News

    Orkut

    The Deskbar and PUFFIN hard drive search tool

    Can anyone think of any other advertising delivery tools used by Google customers?

    All of the above tools used including the Google toolbar are data mining MIS tools used by Google to build user profiles, all require that you exchange your privacy to use these data mining (sypware mostly) tools.

    When spyware is outlawed Google will be making Pizza, how do you want yours? :eek:
     
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  13. stripersonline

    stripersonline Well-Known Member

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    #33
    Excellent points. I guess, like everything else in life, it boils down to perspective. From the perspective of the tens of millions of people using Google to search for information online, Google is a search engine - and I humbly suggest that it's the most likely search engine to put it's users in touch with the most likely websites in the first page of results than any other.

    To the (??) tens of thousands...maybe 100's of thousands (in either case, likely a much smaller % of Google users) that pay to advertise on Google or display Adsense on their pages, then Google may appear to be an advertising company.

    It's perspective - I've been using Google as a search engine for far longer than I've had Adsense on my site - and being that I hate to see paid results in a search, I'll probably never use Google to advertise. But that's just me, we are, as always, victims of our own perspective :)

    TimS
     
    stripersonline, Jun 13, 2004 IP
  14. SENewbie

    SENewbie Peon

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    #34
    Late last month my Yahoo rankings jumped up to where they used to be (i.e., when they used Google's results). The one thing I noticed was that Yahoo was picking up my directory entry whereas before they were not. It might be possible that sites with a Yahoo directory entry are given a bonus, which would then be another form of paid SERPs. This was paid for last year and should expire soon and I don't plan on renewing so we'll see what happens to my pages when my directory entry disappears.

    And Shlottke, I've noticed the same thing with another new site of mine as well. Pages would shoot right to the top then drop out of site.
     
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  15. eddie

    eddie snowrider

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    #35
    I have the same problem new pages on top in Yahoo then they disapear I hope they return. Have you had any luck getting them back to were they should be? My #1 position page was replaced buy an older version of that same page, does not make sense.
    Ed
     
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  16. fluke

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    #36
    yahoo (and msn) couldn't be better to my site - top ten for all (no.1 for several) of my main keywords ......touch wood
    yet 250th for my main keyword in Google (and falling at the minute)
    i partly ascribed my yahoo results to quite a high keyword density.
     
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  17. beginner

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    #37
    Normally I get more results from yahoo than google..Btw, I heard that yahoo using google's technology?
     
    beginner, Apr 5, 2005 IP
  18. DavidAusman

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    #38
    As I know, Yahoo has their own Tech.
     
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    #39
    Everytime google is the best
     
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  20. drhowarddrfine

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    #40
    @escortbayan - you must have a reeeaaalllly slow internet connection.
     
    drhowarddrfine, Nov 8, 2010 IP