Google trickery in play?

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by MountainLife, Nov 23, 2005.

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    puzzling google ranking

    Ok so i have been struggling to get a site ranked well in google.. google seems to HATE it.

    Now here's the key word "nitrous kits"

    when you query that you'll see zex STRONGLY come up first spot and always has.

    Zex appears to have 1 backlink and no pr?

    meanwhile the site I'm trying to rank has backlinks of 18 and a pr4 and does not even come up anywhere at all under anything.. lol

    What trickery is zex using?
     
    MountainLife, Nov 23, 2005 IP
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    sachin410 Illustrious Member

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    Where did you check zex's PR and back links data?

    Google is showing PR5 and 177 backlinks for zex.com.

    High PR doesnt mean much..

    You have to

    *get links from related sites
    *use keywords in anchor text
    *have keywords in title, description , content (On site SEO)

    etc etc.

    Difficult to say unless you show us your site.
     
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    MountainLife Well-Known Member

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    Hmm i was using this tool
    http://www.lilengine.com/tools/backlinks-tool.php?q=nitrousdirect.com%0D%0Azex.com%0D%0Awww.slickcar.com%0D%0Awww.magnumforceracing.com&Submit=Get+Backlinks+Count"]http://www.lilengine.com/tools/backlinks-tool.php?q=nitrousdirect.com%0D%0Azex.com%0D%0Awww.slickcar.com%0D%0Awww.magnumforceracing.com&Submit=Get+Backlinks+Count

    Thanks for your time!

    When you say anchor text you mean in the link to my site, have it mention my keywords right?
     
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    sachin410 Illustrious Member

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    Yes thats what I meant and you are using your keywords in the anchor text.

    lilengine.com's tool also shows 177 backlinks if you type "www.zex.com" but not for "zex.com"

    You can use the DP keywords tool to track your keywords.
    http://www.digitalpoint.com/tools/keywords/

    How old is your site...It is not showing in the search results for "nitrous kits"....possible case of sandbox. (Nitrousdirect.com is what I am talking about).

    Out of 18 links some are from your site itself and others are from irrelevant sites (mydatetonight.co.uk, mysilkweddingflowers.com, animalstyle.co.uk etc)

    Look at links of zex.com - racingheadservice.com, powerandperformancenews.com , fuelairspark.com , rsportscars.com etc ....so many relevant links...that makes a lot if difference.

    So to start with, you need MORE LINKS and LINKS FROM RELEVANT SITES.

    YOU NEED MORE LINKS + LINKS FROM RELEVANT SITES.

    There are lot of other things you can do... check out the different threads..

    Here is one useful one:

    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=30373
     
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    So you'd go as far as to say i may still be sandboxed? It's over a year old.

    i have done everything from title and meta to alt tags, everything is static,

    I do know for a fact the site has other very valuable back links outy there and has for awhile but they are just not showing in google backlinks.. from ezine to forum sigs etc... i dunno what gives..

    I appreciate u taking the time to help.. I'm really at a loss

    doesn't show under google for any search i can do <shrug> but yet it's there and fully indexed?

    Just used the keyword tracker.. jeeze i have no rank for anything in google for some odd reason.. site is over a year old.. and cleanly optimized what gives!
     
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    I agree Google isnt showing all the links - searching for term "nitrousdirect.com" gives 804 results - many of which are links to your site.

    You are at number 1 on msn for "nitrous kits" ; number 4 on Yahoo ; nowhere in Google. This may be a sign of sandbox ...but then I am no expert at SEO.

    I have added your site to my signature..lets see if that helps.
     
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    Thats' really cool of you, appreciate it.. Yeah that's what I was thinking WELL indexed everywhere else.. not spammy.. think the site is fairly well layed out title, meta, h1's, little content, keyword density etc..just not sure why it won't show other than the "sandbox".. i have made some further changes to the site to try and help waiting for it to get indexed again, did a sitemap too .. also trying to get "nitrous oxide"


    Also how do you suppose the terribly non content non meta'd nothing but zex for a title nailed down nitrous kits and nitrous oxide? what tricks are they using?

    Also side note.. just saw a referer from "nx kits" on meta crawler which said i was in google too, checked google

    google.com/search?hl=en&q=nx+kits&btnG=Google+Search

    and i am 3rd from the bottom.. the onyl thing i have ever seen me come in google.. and nothing was done really at all to get that it's mentioned twice i think and not even as a complete phrtase in keywords or descrip... just very confusing.. also what's with my listing being the only one on that age with a time next to the title.. where is that coming from?
     
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    Hey guys in looking into it more.. i really believe I'm Severely sandboxed for some reason! Site is well over a year, and i feel is WELL optimized with nothing hokey, nothing hidden etc.. lots of pages, directly what it should be for the terms nitrous kits or nitrous oxide

    but i can't even find a return in google at all under those keywords.. what gives? meanwhile other sites that are far worse come up in top 10.. have i been penalized? PLEASE help.. i REALLY need google trafic

    url is nitrousdirect.com
     
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    Here are some more examples

    google nitrousdirect
    1st result
    google
    nitrous kits nitrousdirect

    nothing links to it but not the actual site!

    did sandbox test this is what i got

    Sandbox Detection Results for www.nitrousdirect.com
    Sandbox Score for term - nitrous kits:
    39.29
    1. Search Position Details
    2. Breakdown of Score
    3. Competition Analysis
    4. Methodology & Explanation of Score


    Search Engine

    Your Position
    Google
    Not in Top 100
    Google - allinanchor
    Not in Top 100
    Google - allintitle
    Not in Top 100
    Google - allintext
    Not in Top 100
    Yahoo!
    2
    MSN (Beta)
    1
    Teoma
    10


    Breakdown of Score
    These 11 factors are combined based on the percentages shown below to calculate your final score.
    Factor
    % of Score

    Your Results

    Input Value
    1. Difference between Avg Age of Site & Age of Your Site
    7%

    100.00

    7.00
    2. Difference between Median Backlinks @ Google & Your Backlinks @ Google
    6%

    0.00

    0.00
    3. Difference between Median Backlinks @ Yahoo! & Your Backlinks @ Yahoo!
    6%

    0.00

    0.00
    4. Difference between Median Backlinks @ MSN Beta & Your Backlinks @ MSN Beta
    6%

    0.00

    0.00
    5. Difference between Avg PageRank of Sites & Your Site PageRank
    6%

    40.00

    2.40
    6. Difference between AllinAnchor Position & Google Position
    18%

    0.00

    0.00
    7. Difference between AllinTitle Position & Google Position
    10%

    0.00

    0.00
    8. Difference between AllinText Position & Google Position
    10%

    0.00

    0.00
    9. Difference between Yahoo! Position & Google Position
    12%

    99.00

    11.88
    10. Difference between MSN Beta Position & Google Position
    8%

    100.00

    8.00
    11. Difference between Teoma Position & Google Position
    11%

    91.00

    10.01
    Total Score:

    39.29


    Competition Analysis
    The averages & medians for the top 20 sites are listed at the top of the chart, followed by the your site's details and details for the top 20 sites ranking for a search @ Google (datacenter ).
    Median PageRank of TLD (Google):

    Average Age of Site

    Median Backlinks (Yahoo! LinkDomain):

    Median Backlinks (Google):

    Median Backlinks (MSN Beta):
    0

    12-1969

    0

    0

    0

    URL:
    Site PR

    Age in Archive

    Y! BLs

    GG BLs

    MSN BLs
    http://www.nitrousdirect.com
    4

    12-2004

    33830

    0

    482


    Methodology & Explanation of Your Score
    The chart belows can be used to interpret the meaning of your score in relation to the sandbox effect
    Your Score

    Meaning
    0-10% No sandbox factors applicable
    10.1-20% Not enough factors available for interpretation
    20.1-30% Not enough factors available for interpretation
    30.1-40% Very light sandbox factors may affect site - manually review competition and search results
    40.1-50% Light Sandbox Factors
    50.1-60% Moderate Sandbox Factors may be at work - try additional terms
    60.1-70% Moderately Heavy Sandbox Factors
    70.1-80% Heavy Sandbox Factors affecting site - try additional terms
    80.1-90% Very Heavy Sandbox Factors
    90.1-100% Overbearing Sandbox Factors - please email

    hope u can sort that out.. it seems severe i have top rankings in yahoo/msn but they really don't provide anything to at all but a trickle... need google bad but it hates me.. where am i being penalized, thank you so much for your time..
     
    MountainLife, Nov 26, 2005 IP