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Google to drop DMOZ?

Discussion in 'ODP / DMOZ' started by clasione, Feb 23, 2005.

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    Now that's a pretty juicy title their, but I figured I'd bring up a point that has been on my mind for some time....

    Don't know if anyone has ever brought this up before but I think Google will need to drop DMOZ sometime in the near future...

    DMOZ has been around for a long time but there reputation isn't nearly what it should be from many posts on boards like this about alterior motives and editor favoritism.....
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    I feel pretty confident that most of the DMOZ data is good and acurate, but some have been minipulated a bit.

    Also there track record for taking long periods of time in reviewing submitted sites hasn't gone unnoticed...

    Does anyone else feel that Google will soon handle their own directory submission soon and have human reviews?

    I think Google would be able to put alot more weight on their own directory listings if they did....

    After all, in a fight between the engines, Yahoo! and MSN have their own.... :rolleyes:
     
    clasione, Feb 23, 2005 IP
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  2. Crazy_Rob

    Crazy_Rob I seen't it!

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    I think Google has more important things to invest in.
     
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    I think the time factor will play a major role. I also wouldn't doubt if Google went with a paid directory eventually just like Yahoo!
     
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  4. clasione

    clasione Well-Known Member

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    No doubt it would be a lucretive decision....

    They really could just start off with the DMOZ data, move in editors and start requiring paid inclusion while they clean things up.....
     
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    What the hell does Google need a directory for or why do they need DMOZ anymore? It was great in the early days when they had no index.

    No one uses directories to find anything anyway.

    We have AOL who is investing in the search business and I feel "they" will try to use DMOZ for themselves one day and that will cause Google to drop it.

    They don't even need a Google directory in my opinion, I have never used the Yahoo directory to find anything or anyone elses directory for that matter.
     
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    The reason I don't think google will create a paid inclusion directory (unless it *does not have an effect on the SERPS) is because a link from their domain will undoubtably have a very positive effect in rankings in the current situation.

    With that said, a directory is useless, really, when you are talking about a search engine that is suppose to be able to find anything on the web easily. If Im looking for a Chiropractor in Phoenix, I dont want to have to click on six sub categories to find it, I want to run a search and get the page in 0.05 seconds. That is one of the reasons google did away with the directory link on the main page to begin with.
     
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  7. clasione

    clasione Well-Known Member

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    well we have already began to here that periodically Google will human review a site here and their and make a decision based on that. I remeber someone mentioned somewhere that ofcourse they would never admit it but they do review some here and their.....

    Their own directory would give them an opportunity to review everything and this way if they applied more weight to somethings than others they would have good reason to do so....

    I think it would be a better way for them to assign weight.

    But you never know, I have even heard others talk that Google may give a little more weight to sites that are in Yahoo directory because when it comes down to it, they can atleast count on the fact that someone really did review the site and it cost someone (in most cases) 300 bucks just to submit it, so it should be pretty decent....
     
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    anthonycea Banned

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    Google does not work that way, they believe in coding and computers and scalability across their network, not people doing the work.

    Don't count on a directory, they are really outdated and everyone has one just like everyone has a forum now.

    Google will only human review a site if they have a lot of spam reports on it or if some webmaster is on their ban list.

    They have also removed sites when they had a lot of complaints like they had with the Jew Watch site that was coming up number 1 for the search term “Jew”, they will do a human review in cases like this.
     
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    I understand your point of view, and it does make sense on a fair playing field... However, Google would need hundreds of editors to take on the task, and the websites are ever changing. DMOZ, which has a huge base of reviewers, has hundreds of BS sites in the wrong category because domains expire and porn sites or other people buy them and stick crap up in place of the existing site.

    I personally think it would be a waste of resources and wouldn't really be that useful.
     
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    Well, actually, I use DMOZ from time to time. There have been plenty of instances where I couldn't find a site in Google, Yahoo or MSN. Drilling down through the categories in DMOZ has often helped me find such difficult sites. You have to remember, not EVERYONE knows how to SEO and as a result, sometimes very useful sites simply don't show in the engines.

    That said, I doubt very much that Google will introduce their own directory. I think their current idea to just slap a PR ranking on it is about as far as they'll go. Mainly, I just think they've got bigger things on their mind as pointed out.

    I do agree though that it would be a good idea for google to have a PFI directory. I don't think the argument about the reason being that the link would be TOO valuable is really valid. They wouldn't be any more or less valuable than links in the current Google directory. And in the deeper categories, they still aren't all THAT precious right now. If a paid reviewer decided that a link belonged in a top level category, then that site must be well worth it I'd think and it only benefits Google to give them a boost in the serps as well.
     
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    Well Google would just be a pay for play search engine and that would bring more conflict of interest into the reasons for sites to be in the index.

    I know that some sites have been high in the SERP's because they were networks of spam sites that carried ADSENSE, it matters not if another soul believes this.

    I know that it has happened and is still happening but I will not bring this back for anyone to see again.

    A PFI directory would bring even more conflict of interest along with the linking toolbar that is bringing more attention to possible conflict of interest on Google's part.

    The bottom line is this, down the road most SERP's will be pay for play in one way or another, there is no stopping this as companies who want to reach the online crowd will be willing to pay for top SERP positions.

    Poor old webmasters will be forced to buy ADWORDS and other programs to get hits in the long term future as more and more sites come online.
     
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    "They wouldn't be any more or less valuable than links in the current Google directory. And in the deeper categories, they still aren't all THAT precious right now"

    The difference is that if Google took on a project like this, they wouldnt be feeding the data from somewhere else, so they'd have a strong PR10 directory, rather than a PR8.
     
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    Google's stockholders will make sure every avanue of revenue will be explored. I believe that paid directory listings will happen. When, I have no clue !
     
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    That would be the largest strategic mistake that Google could ever make and would ruin the search engine in my opinion.
     
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    When that happens there will no doubt be thousands of threads talking about how Google's directory sucks, and only the big boys with cool toys get listed, or those with bucks.

    Personally I would rather stick to manually submitting to various SE's and other locallized directories, freebies, the coop, etc.. It seems to carry more weight per buck if you know what I mean.
     
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    Does anyone ever get a referral from any directory? Most of us are lucky to get one from MSN or Yahoo search most of the time so what the hell are we getting up in arms about these sorry directories if webmasters get little or no traffic from them?
     
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    We do get some, well under a half of a %. Im not saying they don't generate sales, but I can't see Google ever wasting their time on something like this. Why would they waste so much man power developing this when they could be spending their time coming out with *new* ideas, rather than wasting time on old, out dated ones?

    Google's stock holders will sit and watch the company create revenue, just like they have been. The only way I could see something as useless as another directory come into play is if they started to fall off the map and it was a last ditch effort to pull in some coin before they went belly up.
     
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    I'm not sure I follow why it would have a higher PR if they weren't 'feeding' the data. Providing they don't link to it from their front page, I would expect it still to be a PR8. Since when does the PR algorithm take into account whether or not the content is from a feed?

    The only way that their directory would get a PR10 is if enough other sites linked to them (or google changed their site's internal linking structure); simple as that. Well, I guess they could manually tweak it, but I doubt they'd bother.

    This has little to nothing to do with their search engine. It is a completely seperate product we're talking about.

    As for traffic from directories, you're right, they're not much at all. So far this month we've had just over 60 from yahoo's directory. I can't tell how many from google due to our stats software not seeming to take into account the url variable.. but I imagine it's about the same. All up, that's about 0.017 % of traffic. :)

    Not many people seem to use them anymore (if ever they did). Still, I find it a great way to locate badly seo'd sites.
     
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    For the last time, PR means nothing, get rid of the foolbar
     
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