Google spammers seem to be winning

Discussion in 'Google' started by ziandra, Jul 28, 2005.

  1. #1
    Ok, I am in need of a new cell phone. So I want to learn something about bluetooth and headsets. So naturally I hit the web. Google promptly gives me a whole list of potential candidate web sites. Many with interesting looking descriptions.

    The problem?

    9 out of 10 of them take me to ebay and to things having absolutely nothing to do with what the summary said. I don't want to buy an arbitrary thing on eBay that I don't know anything about. I want to learn about the technology and the products THEN hit ebay to price shop before buying from amazon for less money than ebay.

    So I hit msn and get the information I was looking for.

    Can someone tell me what is wrong with this picture?
     
    ziandra, Jul 28, 2005 IP
  2. Crazy_Rob

    Crazy_Rob I seen't it!

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    #2
    phonescoop.com
     
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  3. City2

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    #3
    Nothing is perfect :p use better keywords is the suggestions i can give
     
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  4. Shoemoney

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    Its true the spammers definatly have googles number... or perhaps its foolish to think google could be so easily foiled... they do have a stake in spammers adsense pages.

    I usually do alot of searching on msn and have better luck
     
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  5. toocoolforschool

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    #5
    You know, I share your confusion. How the bloody heck did Google get so ginormous when their system seems to be so faulty??? Was it all hype? Does the Emperor have clothes?

    Of course, if Google hadn't dumped my site, I like everyone else ranked highly in Google's SERPs wouldn't bother asking any of these questions. :D
     
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  6. blacknight

    blacknight Well-Known Member

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    I've noticed quite a few spammers on certain key phrases as well. It's really annoying, as I know we'd get dumped by Google if we used the same techniques (Murphy's law)
     
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  7. puzzlebox

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    Oh well, I guess it just means narrow your search more. heh. But that can be infuriating..
     
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  8. pcdoc

    pcdoc Active Member

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    google spam, ebay spam, email spam, spam, spam, spam

    what a game !
     
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  9. nevetS

    nevetS Evolving Dragon

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    I think it's a keyword niche issue. For the most part, G returns the best results IMO. Certain keywords though are just flush with spam. MSN is a better alternative than Yahoo, IMO. Yahoo's pay-pay-pay program really makes me skeptical of their results. I still take yahoo over aj, teoma, looksmart, dogpile, etc. though.

    I've tried gigablast a few times with decent results, but for some reason I just don't go back.
     
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  10. shirsc2

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    check out my site, i have a whole site dedicated to Bluetooth Technology. my site should be up on the results pages but of course its not
     
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  11. Shoemoney

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    #11

    It looks like your domain was just registered in march? How old is the content? You are going to have a very hard time ranking for anything for a while.

    Get as many backlinks as you can and try to power past your competition. IMO you have a very nice site and if I were you I would try to make more user interaction( forums/questions/comments/living faq/recomend us). That way you can build your word of mouth advertising.

    Its going to take you a very long time to be on the same playing field with google established sites matching the same key words.
     
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  12. csmith

    csmith Banned

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    I agree; however, Google did infact create the rules (after they squashed the competition on speedy searches alone - most likely.) Now, everyone has to design Google search friendly pages. I have 42 domains all have a Google PR of 0, and 10 are getting over 700 unique hits per day. Ummmmmm..... must be yahoo traffic.
     
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    thank you for the suggestions. I agree i need more interaction on the site. I want to add a forum but we dont' have the man power to moderate it and keep it going. I am looking into a way to have comments section added now. I appreciate all the help on this forum.
     
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  14. debunked

    debunked Prominent Member

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    You should know what search engine is sending the visitors - check your stats.
     
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  15. toocoolforschool

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    Since Yahoo added about half of my pages into their index, I'm now getting about 10% of my traffic from them. Wish it was more. :)
     
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  16. NetMidWest

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    I couldn't agree more; I pointed out many 302 redirect, rank hijacking sites that they had ranked high artificially due to a flaws in Google's system, and most of them had adsense. They just ignored the problem for a long time... and I am not convinced it is gone.
     
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    Same here, but whenever I search for something using more than 2-3 kw, the only results I get are from blogs and forums on the topic, but no real helpful information...
     
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    i think it depends on the keywords as well.
     
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    #19
    I think that is a significant part of the problem. Programs like adsense as it currently exists only encourages and allows money to be made of this kind of activity.

    These are the kinds of things that could seriously impact google's position in the marketplace, both due to the ad revenues and their search engine usuability.

    If people have to come up with quirky keywording to avoid the spam it makes Google fairly unusuable for the average person. If that happens, well it impacts all kinds of things in a fairly negative way.

    Unfortunately, the only real solution are tighter restrictions and more limitations, which are not necessarily good either.

    I have spent more time using the internet before google than since google, and I have been through many different search engines in my time as my default search. Google is not immune from falling from grace. While they may have decided their main purpose is selling advertising, they still have to deliver the eyes. Without the eyes, the entire house comes tumbling down. Without the search engine working like it should, eyes will start to wander.
     
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  20. forkqueue

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    I notice a massive difference on Google result quality, generally the more mass-market something is, the worse the search results will be.

    When I do searches for technical information, Google is generally pretty good. When searching for products, the adsense adverts are often better than the search results themselves!

    In many ways Google are probably perfectly happy with this situation. Google is still useful for research, but for product searching it's just one big advertising board.
     
    forkqueue, Jul 30, 2005 IP