Google Quietly drops pagerank from webmaster tools - GOOD!

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  1. techfired

    techfired Well-Known Member

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    #21
    It was bound to happen. sigh
     
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  2. SCLocal

    SCLocal Notable Member

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    #22

    Sorry bud, that onlineshoes.com site is PR5, fyi.
     
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  3. Barre Tire

    Barre Tire Peon

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    #23
    I am showing a PR0 . Regardless. what PR makes a site trustworthy 4, 5, 7? How about the sites that do not do SEO and strictly advertise on adwords. These sites will have little pr in most case. Does that make them not trustworthy? I can pull up a bunch of made for adsense sites or spam sites that have a very high PR that are quite honestly junk.
     
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  4. malcolm1

    malcolm1 Prominent Member

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    #24
    And this is exactly why webmasters chase it... :(

    Becuase people (consumers) think that a site has it or its high in PR that it
    must be quality site or trusted cause google says so.. (Bullcrap...)

    Much like Barre Tire commented i can also show you shit content domains or
    domains with a pretty 1 word name (with zero content) that got blank pages
    yet it gets a PR4-5-6 (due to age or manipulation)

    PR isnt what it used to be as its been so manipulated over the years and has
    old algo data that makes it worthless when calculating true quality and trust.

    Just do away with it and save everyone grief already...

    thx
    m1
     
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  5. Barre Tire

    Barre Tire Peon

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    #25
    BTW SCLocal that last post was not directed at you FYI.
     
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    Jinx3000 Well-Known Member

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    #26
    Consumers have no idea that Google PageRank even exists.

    Our company has done a survey of over 5k people in an academic context - and under 2% of respondents either knew about google PR or could identify the toolbar PR space up top.

    Your argument is totally false. Stop "just saying things because they sound good". You're not helping anyone with false info.
     
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  7. Surf_Dude

    Surf_Dude Peon

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    #27
    At least the toolbar gives a NUMBER.
    Google Webmaster Tools only gave 3 bars - High, Medium, Low.
    I was always "Low".
    I don't know anybody else who was higher.
    It must have been structured like this -
    High - PR8 to PR10
    Medium - PR6 to PR7
    Low - PR0 to PR5

    99% of websites were "Low". Totally useless.

    Additionally, the "Page with Highest Page Rank" broke (for me) 3 months ago. It was fine up to July, and then it reported an obscure page as "the highest", for August and September. So, it has been going downhill for awhile.
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  8. malcolm1

    malcolm1 Prominent Member

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    #28
    When you download the toolbar you would have to know what PR (page rank) is as you
    have to click a check mark asking if you want it installed so... i had to do not long ago...
    (but i am also a webmaster so i took notice..)

    Mind sharing those results? as i would have thought you would since im giving false info ...

    Show me the survey is all i ask :)

    laterz
    malcolm
     
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  9. cjaccardi

    cjaccardi Active Member

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    #29
    I like pagerank , i know it is irrelevant in seo , but it is a fun tool to watch if you can lift ur pr score
     
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  10. fenix1987

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    #30
    A lot of advertisers still consider the page rank when looking for websites so page rank still matters.
     
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  11. Prince_Porter

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    #31
    As much as I like page rank, I don't like how it's manipulated. I think Google is trying to take a step in the right direction. Think of it this way, the entire internet and SERP's are manipulated by money and man power, if some guy comes up with great content, and doesn't have many links to it, it doesn't make it bad content. It's a shame that some half ass article can get 1000 links to it via payment and man power, even if the article is sub par, while an excellent article with no funding doesn't. If the stats that show how quality a page is are hidden, this helps hinder manipulation.
     
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  12. Ryan6

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    #32
    Why don't people state their comments as mere opinions and not as facts, because this is misleading information on the most popular webmaster forum online...

    What proof do you have that PageRank (PR) is not a ranking factor? And what proof do you have that PR is irrelevant in SEO?! Do you work at Google or something?!

    If you have high PR then it likely that your site is gonna be crawled at an increased rate which to me sounds like a ranking factor. PR might not make too much of a difference throughout the SERPS, but I'd like to see you rank higher than a domain home page that has PR 9 or 10. Yahoo Answers has a high PR and look how well the individual Answers rank in Google with a few lines of text and very few supporting links. What exactly do you think is ranking these so high? Sounds to me like the high PR is a certain factor! There are just a few examples that are clear to see for everybody.

    It is not nice to see this misguidance, unless of course you can back up your claims?:confused:
     
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    #33
    i have check in web master tool but i cant get it
     
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    gameutopia Peon

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    #34
    My opinions are I like pagerank it is kind of fun to see if you can achieve the next level. A little competition sometimes. It probably is abused and manipulated, but I have no fact or proof of that.

    Everyone that I know as personal local friends that I ask if they know anything about pagerank, and not a single one has ever heard of it. Even a few people I know that are new to web hosting and sites don't know anything about it. The ones that have heard of it, really don't know too much about it either or follow and understand it.

    I just can't see google doing away with pagerank completely due to it's popularity, but who knows what they are up to or on their minds.
     
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  15. TheVccMatey

    TheVccMatey Peon

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    #35
    PR never really held any serious importance in regard with SEO. But it was nice to see that green bar moving :)
     
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    #36
    In my opinion, my page rank for various websites was directly correlated with how much work I put into optimizing it and improving it as a resource for visitors. In that way, I felt it was fairly accurate. I am much more worried about Google favoring their own content, and other shady dealings than I am with PR.
     
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  17. Jim4767

    Jim4767 Prominent Member

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    #37
    Google obviously has its own reasons for continuing to calculate PR. But I personally will be delighted if the day comes that they remove it from the toolbar and from any other public access.

    One immediate benefit of that would be a 50% reduction in the amount of worthless posts on Digital Point. :D
     
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  18. WebshoppeSolutions

    WebshoppeSolutions Peon

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    #38
    Page rank has virtually, nearly single handedly, ruined the internet.

    People were afraid to link to other sites because the "page rank" for the other site might have been too low.

    I've seen some incredible websites with a rank of only 1 and I'd link to them anyway. Why? Because the content was relevant, and customers were more important than an automated judge and jury we all came to know as page rank.

    Page rank stifled the internet .. it suffocated the total web experience on so many levels it wasn't funny.

    I've had clients with a page rank of 2 get more traffic and sales than those with a 7 .. That's how totally unfair page rank was, and in many cases, still is.

    Consumers have trumped, and will continue to trump, page rank .. it's a fact of life that maybe Google is finally starting to realize.

    Page rank is already going the way of Alexa .. in that it never gets updated as it should, and it's full of bugs.
     
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  19. WebshoppeSolutions

    WebshoppeSolutions Peon

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    #39
    And when I get emails that extoll the virtues of page rank with regard to linking, it finds it's way into the recycle bin.

    Page rank can't offer good content like a good set of eyeballs can ..
     
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  20. Business Services

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    #40
    The end of the green bar would mean what?

    SERPS would become the main metric for quality (no bad thing)

    Paid Linking would drastically reduce (Google will be happy)

    Advertisement based sites will need to improve (wonderful)

    Then end of the green bar started ages ago, when it became more important than site quality. The facts are, the removal of PR from the toolbar will clean up the web, I am just surprised it has taken so long for Google to get the ball rolling.

    Just imagine, people will be reduced to adding top quality, unique, interesting content to their websites....lol
     
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