Google pagerank question

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by flixy, Apr 27, 2009.

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    I have a problem with a relatively new site of mine (the domain has had content for around 2 months now). I'm starting to get a little concerned with my low page rank of 0, and am keen to improve this as soon as possible. I've been linked to from quite a few different sites now, what I thought would have been more than enough to slide up the scale slightly.

    According to Alexa my rank for the past 3 months is just under 2.5mil, but for the past month it's just under a million. Is this ranking generally normally high enough to justify a higher page rank? (understanding that there are many other factors that go into analysing PR).

    For example, are there any site owners here with a PR of 3 or more outside of the top million on Alexa?

    For my page rank, how long generally should I expect to see results? I was thinking it would take a 3 month cycle, which would mean another month or so for me to see real results, but does anyone have any experience of increasing rankings in a shorter time frame that that?

    Does anyone know how often PRs are calculated, or when the next update is due?
     
    flixy, Apr 27, 2009 IP
  2. Canonical

    Canonical Well-Known Member

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    There are two types of PR at Google. There is your URL's 'real' PR and there is the Google Toolbar PR.

    The one most people talk about is the Google Toolbar PR - the little green bar in your toolbar. This gets updated like once every 3-4 months. It's basically worthless as any type of measure. The very second that Google issues a new toolbar PR update, the Google Toolbar PR is already weeks out of date. It can be wrong both ways:

    - It might say your URL is PR0 when Google already considers it a PR3... or
    - it may say your URL is a PR3 when Google now consideres it a PR0.

    In otherwords, it's pretty much worthless.

    There is another PR. It's your URL's 'real' PR. This is being updated constantly as pages that link to your URL have their 'real' PR updated, as Google discovers new pages that are linking to your URL, as Google discovers pages that have dropped their links to your URL, as Google indexes and de-indexes pages that link to your URL, etc. It is your REAL PR that is used as one of the ranking factors used by the ranking algorithm.

    Once every 3-4 months Google takes a snapshot of the 'real' PRs of the URLs in their index and they map those 'real' PRs using some type of logrithmic scale to the Google Toolbar PR. Who knows exactly how they map it, but the theory is that it is based on some logrithmic scale.

    For example IF they were using a base 10 logrithm the mapping might be similar to the following:

    Real PR------------------>Toolbar PR
    0------------------------>Page currently not ranked by Google (i.e. no indexed pages link to it or the page itself is not in index)
    1-10--------------------->0
    11-100------------------->1
    101-1000----------------->2
    1001-10000--------------->3
    10001-100000------------->4
    100001-1000000---------->5
    etc. all the way to-------->10

    Google will perform this mapping once every few months, and then once they're done mapping it and checking their mappings, they publish it as a Toolbar PR update. There was one at the begining of April... and I actually think there was a possibly a 2nd one this month as myself and several others have noticed their Toolbar PR change a couple of times... this month.

    So you never know what your 'real' PR is... and your Toolbar PR is always out of date which can be VERY misleading. And even your 'real' PR is only one of 200+ ranking factors considered by Google's ranking algorithm so it carries very little weight overall in how you rank for a particular keyword phrase.

    Forget about PR. Worry more about whether your rankings for your targeted keywords are improving and whether your traffic is improving.
     
    Canonical, Apr 27, 2009 IP
  3. flixy

    flixy Peon

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    That post was a lot of help, so thanks. I did suspect this site's PR0 wasn't properly representative as I've become relatively easy to find for my key search terms. I was definitely at risk of being over concerned about the lack of green bar, but instead like you suggest I'll focus on content and hope that all else falls into place.
     
    flixy, Apr 27, 2009 IP
  4. Cernus11

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    Erm... Google updates every few months so there's a good chance that it just hasn't updated to represent your content. Either that or you haven't got enough inbound links.
     
    Cernus11, Apr 27, 2009 IP
  5. flixy

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    Erm... thanks. Canonical says the last big update was early April, so that's been covered and will likely explain my PR0 ranking for now.

    My inbound links should be high enough in quality/number to rank higher, but patience seems to be a virtue when it comes to PR
     
    flixy, Apr 27, 2009 IP
  6. kellygomes123@gmail.com

    kellygomes123@gmail.com Peon

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    Just don't worry for the pagerank... Just have some visitors and have some links your pr will shoot surely up
     
    kellygomes123@gmail.com, Apr 27, 2009 IP
  7. newlogo

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    yes nice calculation of back link for pr update of one site, but not need to bother about pr.
     
    newlogo, Apr 27, 2009 IP
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    Well, Instead of waiting the coming update of PR try to build link continuously.
     
    mokmok69, Apr 28, 2009 IP
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    No reason to worry too much about toolbar PR unless you are selling links to newbs.
     
    simey, Apr 28, 2009 IP
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    make another website with the same niche and start three way link exchange- you will have one way links,more PR amd better SE placement.
     
    karakash, Apr 29, 2009 IP
  11. masood

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    get a homepage oneway link from a pr 3 site with in the same niche it will boost ur pr to 2 for sure..
     
    masood, Apr 29, 2009 IP
  12. shruchi nagar

    shruchi nagar Guest

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    Hi Dear,You may try to get back links form other relevant site . Page rank depends on may factors like domain age,traffic on you site, back links from relevant sites that cast votes for you.

    Page Rank is the algorithm used by the Google search engine, originally formulated by Sergey Brin and Larry Page in their paper The Anatomy of a Large-Scale Hyper textual Web Search Engine.

    It is based on the premise, prevalent in the world of academia, that the importance of a research paper can be judged by the number of citations the paper has from other research papers. Brin and Page have simply transferred this premise to its web equivalent: the importance of a web page can be judged by the number of hyperlinks pointing to it from other web pages

    Page Rank is only one of numerous methods Google uses to determine a page's relevance or importance. Whatever the significance of Page Rank as a component of the overall algorithm, the fact that it at least attempts to reflect site authority and quality can only be a good thing and is reason enough to give it due respect.

    When a user enters a query into the Google search engine, Google searches the index for matching pages and returns the considered the most relevant to the user. Relevance is determined by over 200 factors, one of which is the Page Rank for a given page. As Google compiles its index, it calculates a number it calls PageRank for each page it finds. This was the key invention of Google's founders, Larry Page and Sergey Brin. PageRank is a link analysis algorithm that tallies how many times other sites link to a given page and assigns a numerical weighting to each element of those links with the purpose of 'measuring' its relative importance.

    I hope It will help for you,you may also see the page rank algorithm.
     
    shruchi nagar, May 1, 2009 IP