Google pagerank is Updating

Maybe not in the post you are quoting, but the fact of anchor text, as well as similar outbound links, was something I discussed... just not in every post. It was definately discussed in the post I pointed at that sparked all this.

-Michael

 

Read this

taken from here

http://www-db.stanford.edu/~backrub/google.html

I see no point in debating what I am saying when it is documented here what Larry page and Sergey Brinn said.

 

But why didn't you answer the question? From what you posted of the equation in the first place, I thought you were saying that 10 links from a PR10 page would lead to 10 PR1 pages... is that what you were saying or isn't it? Quoting the white paper doesn't tell me squat about what you think it means.

-Michael

I'M SO TIRED!!!!

 

I have already stated what PR value will be passed on so why are you asking me for the THIRD time? I have referred you to the paper because it uses phrases like 'which we normally set at .85' and other such variable phrases.

You are obviously some sort of PR fetishist who is PR obsessed.

My final statement is this.

PR is not the god of ranking, the gods of ranking are page titles and anchor text, page rank just trots along behind like a little dog, and ALL the people who chase Page rank are going to be disappointed when their rankings do not move at the next update because the PR has already been applied by google, they just chose not to show it on that dumbass toolbar, and Pr doesn't carry much weight at all in rankings anyhow.

 

Hi Old Welsh Guy. Your breakdown is very clear and easy to understand. Thanks.

I am just curious then. You know with all the broken Google pieces if PR is getting F#*%ed up too. For example, this page ends up PR5 (that's what I see in my toolbar)...no traffic, duped content, pointing to a link network, only aff links or broken links, absolutely no ibls. By your theory that's not possible yet that is what has just occurred on this page. This may also illustrate that there's little if no corelation between SERPS and PR because it has no ranking under terms, even domain name doesn't rank. But Google sees it as an important PR5 It's kinda funny I just stumbled across this because of this thread whilst spot checking pages for new PR.

For the most part I've noticed significant changes to internals, all my home pages seemed to have retained original PR values.


Cheers

H

 

Another possibility is that the toolbar PR is out of date, and that at the time of that Pr the linking structure was different. I honestly do not know why that page has PR5, other than maybe it is not actual PR it could be hijacked PR

 

OWG's theory's been derived from the white paper of PR.
Thats the way it was supposed to work.

as far as the page you have given is concern, its a classic example of TLBPR having no co-relation with SERP.
I can bet that this site's got pr5 in last update, since the last PR update was nothing but a big joke..

Having a higher PR has nothing to do with SERP, my PR0 site ranks above than PR7 sites....

Its not a hijacked PR, this site's got about 200 IBL in google
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...nk:www.link-vault-advertising.com&btnG=Search
thats why it has PR5

 

I used to be of the same opinion. Who really knows accept Google themselves. For all we really know PR could be 1 of the 100 and some odd ranking factors. I will admit it a rare to see an obvious relationship between the 2, at the same time we can't rule out the fact that they may be tied together at some point in the scoring/ ranking process, IMO.



H

 

You see it all the time - increase in PR people assume that they will jump from '200th place to 1st. No one knows how Google works, other than the guys and girls at Google, but if there was one person that I know knows what he is talking about that would be OWG.

Your wasting your resources if all the time you are going to use pagerank checking tools instead of completing basic SEO tasks - build links - build unqiue content.

Darren

 

Ok, so, OWG, I guess that settles that then. You must be right, because your answer is far from what I asked, that obviously I myself have suffered a stroke, and when I think I'm typing coherently I'm actually just spouting gibberish and pig latin. The fact the you feel that:

means something, well, then, hm. I can't actually argue with that. I wouldn't know how to begin.

So... you win by default. I withdraw. Please be happy and so forth. Enjoy your 4th, even though it isn't a holiday in Wales. Have fun.

-Michael

 

Checked mine via firefox extension was 5 but when checked via checkseo.info then 0:S no i think a glitch in firefox extention

 

Ofcourse PR and SERP are related in some respect, but that PR is your actual PR, not the one you see on your toolbar..

Completely agree with you on that Darren, OWG knows what he is talking about.
as far as basic SEO is concern you missed one important factor - build relevant links-build unique content., but I am sure when you wrote build links, you meant build relevant links.

I have seen when you concentrate on basic SEO factors, you automatically achieve higher PR.

 

Sorry Michael, but I can't actually see what you're arguing?

 

That page actually does have inbound links, 51 in Yahoo if you check it in Marketleap.

Google only see's that as an 'important' PR5 beacause other sites link to it. It doesn't mean that it'll rank for anything.

Again it joes goes to prove that 'unless all other things are equal' then PR does not have any significant effects on your rankings.

 

annnnd to add the final nail in the coffin, G-flux and its ever changing SERPs indicates that what ever value PR contributes to SERPs, it is done in real time and you do not need to wait for a PR update to see the changes in the SERPs. A PR update is purely a visual que for webmasters. PR is included in the SERPs prior to any visual PR update.

 

They should send that picture of that girl in the google shirt when they ban someone from adsense.

 

It not a matter or winning or losing. Its a matter of sharing accurate information, or as accurate as possible. Think of it this way Michael, you didn't lose, you gained a fair amount of knowledge and feedback by interacting with members in this thread. Good Luck!

 

I fully enjoyed the argument Matt never gave up.

 

I'm not even sure what we were (arguing) discussing in the end
It's 11.27 here and my brain hurts!

 

Okay, I have a PR chart (Which I have stolen from our good ol'pal Bob aka Compar )
Take a look -


It explains the distribution of PR