Google moving away from Page Ranks? Would directory links still help?

Discussion in 'Directories' started by sippsin, Dec 13, 2009.

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    fastreplies Banned

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    #41
    PR comes and goes regardless of what you’re trying to do.
    One day your site PR5 next day Google dropped it to 0.
    Now what? Are you going to quit your site because of that or you will concentrate on what is matter the most,
    on building your site content so you can be on the top of SERP?

    2 words: free listing
    Check Google for #1 spot and then you tell me why should we care if tomorrow AMRAY directory PR drops to “0”
    or Google cancel PR all together.

    ;)

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    CReed Prominent Member

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    #42
    A few words for you:

    Disable customizations based on search activity.

    <added> Turn off personalized search as it skews the results you're seeing. I'm not seeing the same results you're claiming and I'm sure there are many others who don't see it either. I don't see the site you claim is #1 anywhere on the first 5 pages.</added>
     
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    #43
    Matt Cutts had a discussion on this topic and it seem as the PR ain't going away, even he gets excited on having being rank for those certain keyword.

    This probably the best video I had ever watch of him, most were boring, this one was perfect and I watch it to the end.

    WordCamp San Francisco 2009
    http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/seo-for-bloggers/
     
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    #44
    Google's algorithm depends upon its PR's so they'll never come out of PR concept. May be there might be few enhancement in the algorithm but no need to worry. But now a days i don't think so directories are playing major role as it use to do a 3 years back.
     
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    #45
    pr is the devise of google, it checks how many link pointing to your website( quality link). if u increase good quality back link, with defiantly increase your site pr and increase position in google, so don't worry and keep trying to submitting site in directory and other place.....
     
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    #46
    On my directories, I am slowly fixing it so that each page will have a max of 15 sites shown.

    New directories I am working on now will have a max of 10 sites shown per page.

    And keep in mind, the directory may be pr3, but it is really the interior pages with the links that need the pr why? beats the crap out of me why people need pr.
     
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    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #47
    Sippsin, whether Google moves away from PR or ends it all together, I think it is fairly obvious that it really does not mean what it used to. That said, I also do not believe that the intent of a directory either in the past or now was really all about PR. It is, was and should be about getting traffic first and foremost.

    If directories were about PR solely, I doubt anyone would list. I've not seen a drop in the listing in my directories, and traffic has remained constant and consistent even some 5 years later since starting KingBloom.
     
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    #48
    Right on. I am still looking for a directory (except for some major once) that would have PR beyond the Home Page. Do you know of any?
     
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    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #49
    None that are legit or somehow related to or owned by Google. :D
     
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    #50
    That's simply not true.

    Too many directory owners focus all of their link building and promotional efforts only on their homepages and submit pages. With few or even no incoming links to the internal categories, why should Google award PR to the inner pages of directories?

    Age, quality of listings and all the rest aren't enough to overcome the most basic concept of SEO - incoming links are what gets you noticed.

    Though he's not around much anymore, I think it was Old Welsh Guy who opened my eyes about treating a directory like you would any other site - SEO each and every page. He had opened a directory that ONLY accepted deep links and each listing came with several links. It was then that I realized each category of a directory should be treated like a mini site and promoted as such.

    Now that I think about it, the promote only the homepage strategy may have contributed to many of the directories being dinged. From a natural link building perspective it wouldn't be natural for a site to have hundreds or thousands of links to the homepage and none to inner pages.
     
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    #51
    Not when those incoming links are continually discounted and ignored by Google. ;) There in lies the problem. You see, those that DID spend a great deal of time either promoting or getting internal links, either by buying them, or achieving them naturally have been brutally attacked as a result.

    Keep in mind that there are a great many of us that have, had and do do this, and had PR5 on down deep into our directories, only to have it stripped. The reason? The deep links sold into those categories, regardless of what the listing fees are for.

    That my friend is what is "simply not true". Some of us built our directories the 100% natural way, only to be dinged anyway. Its these DEEP links that were like the reason. Short of making every unrelated link, deep, home page or otherwise NO FOLLOW, there is no way to escape the hatred Google has for directories, legit or not.
     
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    #52
    Then why would Google insist we should submit only Index page?

    :confused:

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    #53
    I agree. You have a very valid point. Main and Sub-categories should be promoted through deep links. They should also have unique descriptions.
     
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    #54
    These are rumors. Leave them.
     
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    #55
    Most of the SEO process depends on page rank, So it will exist for ever.
     
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    #56
    Well, most of the people have suggested to forget about the PRs. But when you go for link building or a link exhange request others wont even consider you without a PR. PR is the benchmark for finding out the quality of a site it seems. No matter if it does not have any quality contents.

    Many beginners with their quality sites are penalized due to not having a PR, which they will have to wait for another 2-3 years to get. I guess Google is trying to figure out this issue. So definitely they are doing something to decrease the dependancy on PRs !
     
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    #57
    directory submission doesnt hurt any link building strategies even it doesnt help... so instead of general directory try to stick on a niche and that will help you to distinguish your sites from all others hopefully
     
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    #58
    Google conspiracy:
    Google don't want you to link exchange
    Google does not want you to link to other sites
    Google does not want you to have a paid link to your site, use adsense, google like.
    Google wants you to use search engine instead of web directories.
     
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    #59
    i want send some suggestion, WEB DIRECTORY is still one of the best site to get backlinks and pagerank

    PROOF ?today google make update, u can check list of site on my signature, they are up to pr5,pr6 now
     
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    #60
    No arguments here but...

    Your PROOF sucks.

    All domains in your signature are re-used domains (source: Alexa's Wayback Machine)
    and as soon as G. catches up with them, your PR will go down.

    ;)

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