Google is now a Pay to Play

Discussion in 'Google' started by iShopHQ, Jul 15, 2004.

  1. iShopHQ

    iShopHQ Peon

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    #21
    And anchor text on a PR8 is worth many times the same anchor text on a page less than a PR8.
     
    iShopHQ, Jul 16, 2004 IP
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    #22
    If by "worth" you mean it will help boost your PR, you're correct.

    If by "worth" you're implying that the PR8 anchortext link will give you better placement in the serps than the same link on PR 6 page I don't buy it. Is there any conclusive evidence that this is true?
     
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    #23
    Have you got any proof that your SERP's results will increase?

    Great - PR goes up. But what does that actually do for you?
     
    SEbasic, Jul 16, 2004 IP
  4. iShopHQ

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    #24
    Well gosh guys, you must be right, it doesn't do anything. It's just a ploy by Google to get people all worked up over nothing. PR is completly irrelevant and has absolutly no determining factor in how a page ranks in Google search results. There's absolutely no difference between the benefit (if there even is one) of having a link from a PR8 and PR0. Having having a good PR doesn't make one whit of difference about anything. Wow! Just think about all the money Google spent developing the technology so they could play this huge joke on all of us! Or maybe they just randomly assign PR based on how many times someone said Pee Wee Herman's secret word of the day.

    Those crazy guys.....
     
    iShopHQ, Jul 16, 2004 IP
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    #25
    We have had this same thing discussed many times, ask Compar, there are many threads here that mentioned that "Page Rank does not determine SERP position".

    So someone will have to point you to that thread(s) here at DP, maybe Bob knows where they are.
     
    anthonycea, Jul 16, 2004 IP
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    #26
    Did you pay Digital Point for that advertisement, if not you can expect a bill for a full page ad soon.

    The only thing we trumpet around here is webmaster chat man. :D

    Are you sure you are on the right forum?

    Maybe you should get on the eyeglasses forum since it seems you may need to get your eyes looked at so you can read the content of a thread.

    Or maybe a comprehension forum so you can comprehend the content of the threads, no one is interested in a trumpet lesson. :eek:
     
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  7. Mel

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    #27
    I have noticed a strange anomoly, it seems that those who complain about the unfairness, etc etc of Googles ranking system are those who do not seem to have figured out how to rank highly.

    It is not necessary to spend money or to buy links to rank well at google, you can get the same results with a bit of Sweat Equity. I have sites that rank very well for competitive terms across a range of search engines yet I have never paid for inclusion in either a search engine or directory, nor have I every traded or purchased links for any of these high ranking sites.

    I agree that you can buy your way to the top of Google at the moment, but that does not mean that there are not other ways.
     
    Mel, Jul 17, 2004 IP
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    #28
    There you go you got it in one!
     
    Mel, Jul 17, 2004 IP
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    #29
    Things change. PR is old technology now. THere have been lots of threads about this topic. Here is one.

    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1186&page=1

    Enjoy...
     
    SEbasic, Jul 17, 2004 IP
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    #30
    Now you're getting it ;)
     
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  11. iShopHQ

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    #31
    I agree that page rank is dated.

    I'm not whining; I agree you can rank well on Google without paying a dime or courting links - I have a several sites that do.

    I think page rank can have some use, perhaps simply as an indicator of traffic or popularity of the site. But when you can 'buy your way to the top' of ORGANIC results, something is broken.

    Maybe if they had just kept the whole page rank thing hidden...? Then no one would know what sites ranked where and then they woulbn't be able to whore out their links.
     
    iShopHQ, Jul 19, 2004 IP
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    #32
    I think the days of truly "organic" results are done. You'll always be able to buy your way to the top, in any search engine.

    All the search engines have to use some criteria to place pages in the organic results. People will figure out what the most important criteria in placement is and exploit it. It's happening to Google because they are the most popular…if Yahoo is the most popular next year people will be working like heck to place well there. So long as the search engines use on and off page factors to place pages in their serps there will be a group of people that will do everything in their power to profit from getting sites placed. Where there's money to made their will always be people there to make it.
     
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  13. Such Great Heights

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    #33
    I believe Owlcroft said it best.
    This is exactly it.
    The only reason people pay for inbound links is because they know that is what Google is looking for.

    Before everyone knew this we were all trying to figure it out right?
    That's what a lot of SEO's do, try to figure out exactly what Google ranks higher for and shoot for that. Then we "optimize" our pages so Google likes it best, but as soon as a part of our "optimization" is out of our hands and into others what will you do?
    Ask nicely for a link?
    Hack their server and put up your own links on their page?
    Or just pay them because money talks, and it's real easy to put up a text link in exchange for cash?

    That's the vicious cycle. We figure out what works best and exploit it.
    Someone else said it as well. Something to the effect of "that's the heart of capitalizm."
    McDonalds did the same thing, they figured out that factory line food preperation is quick, easy, and profitable. But the bad side is that it produces high turnover rates with employees (and horrible customer service, and food tastes funky), but that's the loss they take for being able to ship out so much food so fast. Thus make more profits.

    So what I'm getting at is that is we are always searching for the exploit, then once it's found and made public, then money will be thrown in there for best effectiveness/profits.

    Google is doing good for certain searches "guitar shaped purse" but for "cheap comforter set" it's not as good. And like most everything in life you need to learn that one company/tool isn't good for everything.

    I agree that the "organic" searches are becoming more and more spammy, obviously. But unless you can tell everyone to "play nice" and not be so infatuated with greed, then most things will be tainted.
    I am sure Google realizes this and is always working on better ways to searve relavent results. But I bet it's not easy to figure out. :p
     
    Such Great Heights, Jul 19, 2004 IP
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    #34
    google in a hurry to clean spam from it's search results is harming many genuine sites , and many spam content sites are still getting tons of visitors. i dont think that either panda or penguine have done any exceptional thing interm of removing spam from search results. Even site like Mashable was penalised by panda which shows that even if you some seo the right way , you have genuine and appealing content still your ranking is not safe.
     
    shivambest, Aug 28, 2012 IP
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    #35
    omg 8 hours old thread
     
    fahadzaman66, Aug 28, 2012 IP