1. WRONG? people say Google toolbar PR is not updated (month late) , but many new sites (weeks old) got TB PR update 2. WRONG? Google Internal PR updating all the time. Many sites SERP not changing even when getting quality high PR relevant links, until TB PR update. it is reflected in link no. changes, indexed page increase. Seems Google not doing it real time
(2) Google internal PR is updating continuously, whereas the toolbar value lags behind (hence deserves minimum attention) That is not true. Just imagine what that would entail: serps would remain static for months on end. Toolbar PR has little to do with serps anyway.
Earnest01, I was following few KW SERP ranking... I really didn't see much changes (other than Google insert some news links there) until recent PR change.... Is Google doing really a good job updating PR/SERP internally? Just follow some KW SERP, you will see, the update is not continuous... As I know some sites got high quality relevant links but no where to be found until recently
I get confused about the second one because of people on this site. On http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/whats-an-update/ , Matt Cutts says that google updates the PageRank continuously (assuming in their own database) but they only export the PageRank results every 3 months. I don't think he's talking about the toolbar PageRank. He's talking about the internal pagerank in the search results. People on this site combine the internal SERP pagerank and the toolbar pagerank as the same thing, when they aren't. When the toolbar gets updated, it has nothing to do with the SERPS, but I believe the SERPs get updated around the same time as the toolbar which makes it more confusing. I've never really known the answer. As much as I look into it, I still can never find the right answer. The reason why I don't think that it's constantly updated is because I build a lot of high PR links to my site all the time, and I never see an increase in the SERPS. Last update Dec 31, the toolbar PR updated and about a week later the rankings of my pages all started showing high in the serps, but it wasn't directly related to the toolbar PR updating.
John1021, make sense for me now, so that is my understanding, say you got a high PR backlink, Google saw it, recorded, calculated internal PR immediately, and use it to caculate other PRs.... Once 3 months also, it update the most recent PR to toolbar and change SERP based on the new PR.... Right?
That's what I believe, but that's not what 99% of people believe. 99% of people fail online anyway with businesses, so you can't really trust what you see posted online about PageRank. The problem is that the wrong information continues to get passed around. Matt Cutts works for Google. He says that PageRank gets exported every 3 months. The toolbar does get updated every 3 months, but not everyone has a PageRank toolbar, so I doubt he's talking about that. The only logical explanation would be that he's saying that the SERP data gets exported every 3 months so that users can see new and updated results visibly. You're always going to see people say "Wow my pagerank went from from 0-4 with no link building. My site is only 3 weeks old. Yippee". Then when you try to actually find their site in the serps, they are no where to be found. The toolbar PR obviously has no direct correlation with the SERP PR. What I do believe is that a lot of new sites get fake PR, so that they don't go out on a link building spree trying to get more links. They basically get faked out into thinking that their site is quality when it's actually garbage and won't be rising up in the SERPs anytime soon.
Toolbar PageRank represents keyword-independent inbound link juice. Google gathers the links continuously but only pushes out a new number every three months or so. It's not a very useful number because it's keyword-independent. SERP represents keyword-specific inbound link juice. The major factor to winning a given SERP battle seems to be getting inbound links that: 1) have anchor text equal to your target keywords 2) are from sites that themselves have high SERP for that keyword. I see minor changes in SERP for my keywords all the time, but major shifts only occur at about the same time as the Toolbar PR updates. The SERPs jump around for a few days, then settle into the new pattern for the next three months. hth
Okay, I won't claim that know the ultimate truth, and maybe these things you have mentioned do make sense, but I feel sort of confused at the moment, and would highly appreciate if someone would dot the i's and cross the t's in here, because understanding this is very important. Here's what I found in another Matt Cutts post: (that will be http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/more-info-on-pagerank/) And there's that "visibility" thing in his post mentioned earlier Again, I look forward to further clarifications.
Few months ago, my toolbar always showed no PR but when i checked my PR on a specific site, it showed PR 1. So, Toolbar PR is not updated regularly or immediately.
There's always the possibility that you are seeing two effects. For new sites I see a similar effect to the one you describe - an inrease in SERPs at around the same time as the toolbar export date. However, this could be because Google is adjusting other factors at a similar time, e.g. domain age related factors. So it looks like the toolbar export causes a SERPs increase but the increase could be for another reason.
i agree, some sites onemonth old or less move from 0 to 3 even 4, while mine nearly five month old did not get update. and my internal pr did not update until this tbpr update.
I know a 1 month old site from 0 to 5 just because extensive external links from 2 Pr7 sites So I really have concerns on this PR thing... seems it is only a backlink counting... quality and popularity not considered.. If you see SERP froze, say for "insurance" KW, how can you judge the SERP update (really conincidence with PR change?) Even for long tail SERP, it looks like not changing much... Is Google really working hard these days?