Google has removed the "Future" Pagerank

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  2. fryman

    fryman Kiss my rep

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    What are you talking about? PR can not be predicted, only newbies believe in those junk preditcion tools
     
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    #3
    well said fryman.
     
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    Well, that is also what I thought. Until I read this WMW thread.

    After some research I wrote my article about it. And when SEOs starts discussing about my article and people like randfish blogging about it and even Matt Cutts himself reading it than it is more than just "only newbies".

    I don't think it is pure coincidental that Google cancels the RK values after my article gets some attention on the right places and a number of people makes tools about it.
     
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    I would imagine it would affect every single future page rank prediction tool, at least one that went by the first ratio figure. From what I've found around the net all sites have been wiped clear of the future page rank ratio...thingy.
     
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  6. Sem-Advance

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    Even if there were such a thing ...

    There is nothing it does for a website...

    certainly does not increase conversions

    so a waste of clients marketing dollars
     
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  7. DavidAusman

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    I've actually already posted about it yesterday, here http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=68485 . I was making a tool and suddenly i discovered that it had stopped showing the RK value, it was 0 in all queries. As I said, this must have happened yesterday, because in the morning it was still working i think.

    Here you go:

     
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  9. Jim_Westergren

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    Matt Cutts read my article about it and I sent him an e-mail about it.

    His answer:

    The fun is over :D
     
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  10. Smyrl

    Smyrl Tomato Republic Staff

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    #10
    Ah but is it? As soon as big G stabalizes (yes I am an optomist) you and others will be out cracking the new codes whatever they may be.

    Good luck with your sleuthing.
     
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    At best it could only have shown the PR from the last update.

    All the tools in the world are not going to be able to plug into Googles Computing Grid... and then be able to score the documents accordingly in order to determine PR.

    So ergo no Live PR
     
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    Sem-Advance,

    I don't think you read my article.

    If what you say is true then there would be no reason for Google to make the values non-public once it was cracked how to see it.

    The RK value of an URL was updated the same day Google cached new backlinks for that URL.

    But there is nothing for me to prove, I learned what I learned and I am very happy for that. The difference of RK values of BigDaddy and non-BigDaddy was also interesting.
     
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  13. mad4

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    #13
    There has been a 'hack' to get current PR for ages now without google removing it.

    The fact that they have acted to remove this 'live' PR figure leads me to believe that there was something in it.
     
    mad4, Mar 25, 2006 IP
  14. amitpatel_3001

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    :(
    All my pages had Live PR option which made them look gr8 :p
    Now all PR N/A :(
     
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    There has been a hack to get current external PR for ages.. there have been scripts for predictining PR as well...

    Internal PR that Google assigns daily... is not available to the rest of us until they update toolbar which has historically been 3 to 4 times per year.

    What was discovered is intellectual property and as such Google will take steps to protect it... and now once discovered will make a change to it as well to protect it further.

    You can pick apart one small part of the Google Algo, but Google has enough Engineers with Computer Science degrees to sit and laugh at anyones futile time waste.
     
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    I don't get your point here, but this was, in fact, Live PR or smth very very similiar to it. Now, they have removed it.

    Besides, I was just going to release two tools that made use of it :((
     
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    gdymov

    Google adjusts page rank internally (For those who work for Google only) everyday.

    Since the rest of us do not see the true page rank we have to rely on the toolbar updates which are once every three to four months.

    What was probably found was the method to update the toolbar. Perhaps with Big Daddy updates will occur monthly now.

    Live would be nice but the damn cheaters screw everything up so safeguards seem to suggest we will never have a live arena for search but a more censored version of listings may make it down to week or so old but until they can stop all attempts to manipulate data it will never be a live environment.

    90 to 120 days between link and PR updates is not a successful business model for the supposed king of all relevant content.
     
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  18. Mong

    Mong ↓↘→ horsePower

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    #18
    IMO its was not rank 100% because there is huge difference between one level to higher level from PR6.
    But it was something around "rank"... :)



    Don't worry guyz i am finding out new way of predicting ("correct n current") page rank.Soon share with you ;)
     
    Mong, Mar 25, 2006 IP
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    Hmm well let's see...your tool cannot be current or correct.

    Search engines are not current so your data cannot be current.

    In other words if I build a link to your website today and publish it online, it will not be known for weeks to months, on the search engines, as well as your tool.

    So then the tools will not be current or correct until the search engines themselves are.

    Hope that helps clear things up.
     
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  20. Mong

    Mong ↓↘→ horsePower

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    haha :)
    In that way there is nothing "current" in this world because even "current" is not accurate nano and pico second "current" :D


    It will be relatively current and correct :)
     
    Mong, Mar 25, 2006 IP