google cleaning up the yard

Discussion in 'Google' started by freaky andy, Aug 22, 2007.

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    I think it's about time for Google to get rid of all the Internet nonsense such as unmoderated directories, copies of dmoz or wikipedia. They don't bring any value to the user experience (a euphemism for "crap"). It has actually started the cleanup, de-indexing a lot of sites that had little or no quality at all. I hope they will also change the algo with respect to all the known link exchange systems, eliminating this fast SERP manipulation practiced by a lot of webmasters. Whoever thinks that these systems are here to stay for a long time should better think again. I can actually imagine an algo which starts counting the links after a certain period of time and discording links that appear only for a few days.
    Folks, I'm not a fear monger but I've got a feeling that web spammers will soon have a heck of time watching their RSS feeds and other automated sites vanishing into oblivion.
    By the way, I'm waiting for the PR update and I thought I would cry a river here killing the time :)
     
    freaky andy, Aug 22, 2007 IP
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    They've been talking a lot about paid links recently, but they will have a hard time to detect those in most cases. Where can you possible receive links pointing to your site (from relevant pages)? Only from web directories or buying them from your competitors. I noticed that a lot of sites started to disappear.
    hell!!! I've been getting impatient about the update myself too
     
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  3. freaky andy

    freaky andy Peon

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    I don't think there is anything wrong with selling links as long as you monitor who you're selling links to. You have to maintain certain standard but, of course, Google will never state that clearly since it would be a kinda approval for those buying or selling links (including me :) ). Google wants to force webmasters into building links not in a spammy crappy way.
     
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    dcristo Illustrious Member

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    They started placing less importance on link exchanges a long time ago.
     
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    There is a difference between link exchange and link exchange. I don't see why Google would lower the importance of a link going to site B and reciprocal link going to site A. As long as the linkage makes sense both sites will benefit. I was talking about systems such as link vault, linkpro, weblink, etc, which can get you high in the SERP's within a week or two. This type of links should be filtered out by Google in order to reduce the possible manipulation and cut down on the amountof spam. I think Google is just doing that as we speak
     
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    dcristo Illustrious Member

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    I think they started doing it a long time ago!
     
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    its about time they do something about it! The boatload of irrevelant links is astounding. ( even if it is the best search engine! ) lol
     
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  8. freaky andy

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    Perhaps they're testing the new system and that's why only selected site got updated (most of which got a lower PR) A friend of mine has recently lost 300 sites in one day (all spam of course - thanx Google :) ) They've been doing a lot of work but I think they start coming down really hard just about now
     
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    reaky andy: If this would be so easy, they would do it long time ago... It they remove some systems, new appear on their place and this is a circle without an exit. It's difficult to make rules/alghorithm without hurting 'good' sites.
     
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    Actually, I respectfully disagree. I think it's possible just by putting a filter on new links. If they stay up for more then three months you can actually see the change in the results, but if they disappear the next day or within a week the links would never amount to anything.
    A little off topic but if I'm to believe the Google directory, my second site got promoted to pr7 - yahoooo!!! opps!!!
     
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    what was your friend doing?
     
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    A lot of rss and copies of wiki. even my link from pr7 did not help with one site. It disappeared overnight.
     
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    How were they promoting it though?
     
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    via weblink. Building up a huge site with a couple of valuable pages and the rest pure garbage stuffed with a lot of links under a number of keywords and of course adsense (huge mistake).
     
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    What is a link relevancy anyway? if I write somethink like this:
    " hell with the pr nonsense and let's get to real web building job (for those who don't understand the word 'job'). Is the link natural and suitable in the context? I think is more than relevant.
     
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    LOL. Yeah Sebie you're right. Most people think that a link to their site should be only from pages whose content is identical to their site. They're looking for the same niche or theme. This is a total misunderstanding!!! You can link to any site from any page of yours provided that the link makes sense. Of course, if the number of links on a given page is excessive SE will find it suspicious. You have to keep that number reasonable. It's sort of complicated, but I think you would have a gut feeling when you have gone overboard. There are a lot of pages with hundreds of links but again the SE will check their quality and how they are generally placed in context.
     
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    Google has implemented latent semantic indexing.

    On page factors can still give you some help.
     
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    What ever Google is going to do i think it will take time even if they already started before as mentioned by dcristo's
     
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    Well, although implemented a year ago, you can see the workings of Big Daddy just about now. It took time and it will take even more time to throw all the garbage out of the Google's index.
    The question is: "how can a webmaster honestly harvest natural links? And what is so natural about those links?
    I think that Sebie's example is an excellent one:
    Pages that are apparently not related have been linked in a natural way and the linking makes sense. so all the webmasters looking for related sites don't understand the algo's inner workings.
     
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    nowadays... google result has many spam. am I right? most of the page that not important can even high rank in serp?
     
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