Google - Backlinks vs Relativity

Discussion in 'Google' started by xenyo, Dec 17, 2006.

  1. wmicro

    wmicro Peon

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    #21

    I have designed the layout for a new script to determine how many pages that are actually listed in the search engines and mush more, but it is in the works. Nevertheless, prior to July 2006, many search engines at one time did actually crawl your whole web site and list many pages this is including Google but Google had the worst repetition of links not found (401 error pages), for example I have two Tech website prior to July 2006 you a type keyword like motherboards and so on you found my website. Not, no more Google has restructured their whole web site and this time many website owners noticed their own PR went way down on Google new PR changes.

    This look how many web sites are out there today prior then five years ago, it takes common sense if you are running a search engine how big of a hard drive you would have to have to hold millions of website with millions of pages. So they have to lay down the law somewhere.

    See this page it has many free tools on it and help on PR at: http://www.dynamicmember.us/Google_PageRank.htm It take Strategy and Philosophy for A good PR ranking are identified and understood. All of these internet marketing considerations should be carefully considered before tactical website, marketing, or traffic-generation tasks begin.
     
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    SandisV Active Member

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    #22
    Any of these pages are supplemental?
     
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  3. xenyo

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    #23
    Hmm... I have re-read that a few times and I am a bit confused as it seems to be going around in circles without actually referring to the question. I did understand that you have a script and PR checker tool.. but anyways....;P

    I think one of the reasons that the DeGoogle Code is so hard to crack is that there are so many myths and rumours by so many passionate site owners. Maybe we should simplify it down a bit for discussions sake.


    'Is the main criteria for Google deciding how deep a site gets indexed the Active PR of the site.'


    Something like that.
     
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  4. wmicro

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    #24
    Posted by Stefanie Ulrike Dürr, writing from Dublin
    12/15/2006 12:41:00 PM
    http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/

    "This confusion lies in the common belief that there are two ways for optimizing the link-based popularity of your website: Either the meritocratic and long-term option of developing natural links or the risky and short-term option of non-earned backlinks via link spamming tactics such as buying links. We've always taken a clear stance with respect to manipulating the PageRank algorithm in our Quality Guidelines. Despite these policies, the strategy of participating in link schemes might have previously paid off. But more recently, Google has tremendously refined its link-weighting algorithms. We have more people working on Google's link-weighting for quality control and to correct issues we find. So nowadays, undermining the PageRank algorithm is likely to result in the loss of the ability of link-selling sites to pass on reputation via links to other sites."
     
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  5. paidhosting

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    #25
    Hmm.. define "Supplemental "
     
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  6. wmicro

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    #26
    How to find out if your web pages are in the supplemental results

    An easy way to find out how many of your pages are listed in Google's supplemental results is to search for the following on Google.com:


    1. site:www.domain.com ................................. 1,750
    2. site:www.domain.com www.domain.com ........ - 27
    total pages listed in Google Supplemental are......... 1,723

    Pages Indexed by Google are 27
    Listed in Google Supplemental are 1,723
    Total pages listed in Google are 1750


    Search for these two phrase and Of course, you have to replace www.domain.com with your own domain name.
     
    wmicro, Dec 19, 2006 IP
  7. kh7

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    #27
    PR is only one - repeat after me - ONLY ONE of the factors in google's search algorithms. Higher PR means a higher statistical LIKELYHOOD of more of your pages being crawled and more frequently. PR is ONLY based on link-popularity. Links being related or not to your site has nothing to do with it. A link from a high PR site, will give your site a higher PR.

    What we all really care about is the Serps: how high our pages rank when people search for relevant key-phrases. For that relevant text in links, relevant pages from which to get links etc. are very important factors.

    How fast pages are crawled is based on at least the following:
    - how often your pages change and how often you add something new
    - pr
    - trust (does your site seem related to spammy sites or not, how new is the site, how new are the links to the site etc.).
     
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  9. wmicro

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    #29
    Search for that phrase and then proceed to the last result pages to find the supplemental results.

    Index of /downloads/wolfetIndex of /downloads/wolfet. Name Last modified Size Description. Parent Directory 18-Jul-2006 23:18 - WolfET.exe 09-Feb-2006 01:54 258M patch/ 09-Feb-2006 ...
    www.sbclansite.com/downloads/wolfet/?S=D - 2k - Supplemental Result -

    This will change daily this is appox right.
    So does that mean 3934 pages are supplemental?

    However, you show about 19 pages are not in supplemental


    In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some entries very similar to the 19 already displayed.
    If you like, you can repeat the search with the omitted results included.
     
    wmicro, Dec 21, 2006 IP
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    #30
    Because why would PR have anything to do with how many pages you have that get indexed. It simply doesnt make sense, other than the possible reasoning i explained above about why it could look as though it does affect it.

    Your sites pages getting indexed has more to do with the robots successfully transfering your sites info back to google than the refering sites link or pr.
     
    okthanks, Dec 22, 2006 IP
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    #31
    So that means only 19 valid pages ? And rest are no good ? Supplemental a bad thing?
     
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  12. wmicro

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    #32
    This summer, (about in July-2006) Google also updated their supplemental results index structure. It was a complete rewrite and the indexing infrastructure for the supplemental results is different from then main indexing structure.

    talks about the way Google works. One of the videos addresses their supplemental of the Google index.
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3494613828170903728&q=matt+cutts


    What's going on?
    What exactly are Google supplemental results and why would you not want your web site to appear in them?

    According to Google's FAQ page, supplemental results are part of Google's auxiliary index (main results are drawn from the main index) and pages, which appear on the supplemental listing, have "fewer restrictions" than those that appear on the main results page.

    Do you use sitemap.xml?
    Do you have robots.txt?


    They further say that the inclusion of sites on the main or supplemental index is purely automated and does not affect page rank at all. Google updates parts of its index daily.
     
    wmicro, Dec 22, 2006 IP
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    #33
    I also agree with trying to get good links on highly ranked and high PR pages that are on same subject as yours.
     
    john269, Dec 25, 2006 IP