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Google and Links. No, no, no, no, no, no. That's NOT how to do it!

Discussion in 'Link Development' started by Foggy, Jul 17, 2009.

  1. jackv

    jackv Peon

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    #41
    the beauty of seo is that 95% of people working on seo don't know nothing about seo!

    :)

    specially on dp!

    because of that i love what i do!
    SEMrush
     
    jackv, Jul 20, 2009 IP
    SEMrush
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    coolamazer Peon

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    #42
    You dont seem to get the idea of how search engines work. They do not search teh entire list of sites during the search time. they have already a sorted list in their database to return when the query is executed.
     
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  3. Foggy

    Foggy Link and Site Buyer

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    #43
    Now if they can only figure out that calculating link maps can be done with spare processor cycles during off-peak hours! I don't know, maybe they can do it as a 20% project and run a SETI type program on employees' laptops if they don't have enough 486s at the 'plex.
     
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    nikomaster Member

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    #44
    SE do some kind of pattern classification according to each key phrase or keyword the show the results, heuristic search.
     
    nikomaster, Jul 20, 2009 IP
  5. papa0s0

    papa0s0 Peon

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    #45
    but foggy, you just bought 3 site-wide links from me! ;)
     
    papa0s0, Jul 20, 2009 IP
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    S_A_W Active Member

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    #46
    I really want to agree with the OP but it seems there are many high ranking sites that have tons of irrelevant poor quality backlinks. Also Gooogle does not have a level playing field when it comes to bigger companies, you can especially see this in the gambling industry....it is so obvious most of the top 10 are buying massive amounts of links but they really have their hands tied.
     
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    borber Well-Known Member

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    #47
    Good thread, thanks, Foggy.
    My ways are articles and reliable blogs (commenting and owned).
    Don't agree about unusable .edu and .gov links - it adds "trust" (though nobody knows what it means...)
    Does somebody have any ideas about Angela's links usability?
     
    borber, Jul 20, 2009 IP
  8. Foggy

    Foggy Link and Site Buyer

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    #48
    Damn, I knew someone would catch me out!

    And here are the PMs we exchanged ;)
    Originally Posted by papa0s0: i have a tech site with unique content <deleted> are you looking for blogroll links or blog posts? And if blog posts, who would write them?

    Me: I don't buy blogroll and if it's a blogpost you'd have to write it as I don't have time.

    Alternatively, you could link to my sites from withiin existing posts. For example, in this post: <deleted> you could link to this page <deleted>

    Originally Posted by papa0s0: what about do you usually pay for those 'in-content' links?

    Me: $<deleted>

    Originally Posted by papa0s0: ok, sounds good. send me the anchor and url and ill post it asap. payment can be made to <deleted> via paypal.
     
    Foggy, Jul 21, 2009 IP
  9. davejug1

    davejug1 Banned

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    #49
    Yep this is all well and good but things could have changed tomorrow, algo's being as they are
     
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    Hildiid Greenhorn

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    #50
    Very good comment, I sometime think people forget the base of internet marketing. The whole point is getting targeted traffic to your website. That is what you spend your money and your effort. It's grantee you will get a higher PR after you succeed to generate traffic. When you are buying a link, think about targeted traffic and not PR.
     
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  11. ChrisAplin

    ChrisAplin Peon

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    #51
    I agree minus page rank.

    When it comes to SERPs relevancy is #1.

    When it comes to good backlinks relevancy on an authoritative site is key. That's when PR matters.
     
    ChrisAplin, Jul 21, 2009 IP
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    Rituja Peon

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    #52
    Very Help ful post friend
     
    Rituja, Jul 21, 2009 IP
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    falguni1 Peon

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    #53
    I dont agree with the post here.
     
    falguni1, Jul 21, 2009 IP
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    James_P Peon

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    #54
    Why?

    I find it very hard to believe that there'd be anyone here making serious $ who'd disagree with these. I'd partially disagree with the three-way link exchange (although, disagree would not be the word for it) - in that G will not punish you for 3 way exchanges, but rather the benefit you see will be severely dampened. 1 way link > 3 way link > direct link exchange. That's common knowledge.

    As far as PR goes, it's been stated (look, i honestly can't and won't find the quote) that PR typically plays a more (read: not major) important role in the most saturated niches at the highest end of the SERPs spectrum (i.e. 1-10). My personal theory is that most webmasters chase PR simply for the re-sell value, I know it's exactly what I did. Increase PR of my site = increase in the amount some noob will buy it for. I know it means nothing, but that's not to say I won't try obtaining it to increase the value of my site (if my sole intention is to flip).

    Lord knows how long I've been trying to tell people PR means diddly squat, but I digress... There's far more disinformation in the realm of SEO than real information - the game changes too quickly to rectify this. Good post nonetheless.

    Now I see why you've got such a high post count here; it's not from spreading knowledge, but rather from posting uninsightful garbage!
     
    James_P, Jul 21, 2009 IP
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  15. Foggy

    Foggy Link and Site Buyer

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    #55
    James, you're perfectly right, toolbar PR has value if you're selling links - as the unwashed masses swear by it and will pay money to buy links based on PR. There are also claims that PR influences how often Google spiders your site and what extent you can take risks with Google's published Commandments etc. A PR7 page could probably get away with a link or two to a spammy destination.

    But, a PR0 page can happily reach first page of Google even for very competitive terms.

    If you're looking to buy a link, people, for goodness sake focus on the quality of the content that's linking to you and it's relevance to your page, not it's PR! Stop buying links for PR and the PR pimps will stop trying to sell you PR links. Also, you will do better in SERPs. And I practice what I preach. Have a PR0 page with good, solid, original content? I'll pay you for a link from your PR0 page! I don't care about your PR. The better the quality of your page (and site) the more I'll pay you. Have a really good site with no PR on any page? I could still pay up to $100 for links from there.

    And if you're selling links, charge the earth for low quality destinations and links to niches that are generally considered spammy (CC, loans, mortgages, akai berry, ring tones, casino, mesothelioma etc). These links severely damage your site. If you can, avoid them altogether. In fact, if you have lots of sponsored posts to places like that I, personally, wouldn't buy links from you because the message you're giving out to Google and everybody else is that you want to be seen as a ass-wipe type of site.

    Google accepts that you can't control who links to you but they know, recognise and take into account the fact that you can control who you link out to. Any you're known by the company you keep.
     
    Foggy, Jul 21, 2009 IP
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    qazu Well-Known Member

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    #56
    I've been doing pretty well with all those non, no, no's. The only no, no I adhere to is buying links - one of google's biggest no, no's and the main reason why the directory ship has sailed. :p
     
    qazu, Jul 21, 2009 IP
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    papa0s0 Peon

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    #57
    haha foggy, easy there. everyone knew it was a joke, no need to xplain urself =Þ
     
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    #58
    Foggy,

    Would you consider consulting with me on a few different sites, I wouldn't mind paying you a small fee as I am just a beginner as per our PM's.


    Thanks!
     
    justadam, Jul 21, 2009 IP
  19. Foggy

    Foggy Link and Site Buyer

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    #59
    justadam, that's very flattering and I've had a few people ask me but I just don't have the time. I appreciate your offer to pay but if I did work for fees they wouldn't be small ;)

    If you have a question, shoot. I'll try to answer in the forum and then my opinion, FWIW, is available to others too. And someone may even add to or improve on it!
     
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    bdclowser Peon

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    #60
    I am new at creating websites. I started creating one for my wife's e-commerce jewelry store, and all I heard was submit to all the directories you can, and get as many backlinks as possible. I went as far as making a links page for her site, as of right now only 4 links on it. How can a new site like this get up in SERPs?
     
    bdclowser, Jul 21, 2009 IP