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Google Adsense - Open in new window/tab

Discussion in 'AdSense' started by Cybernaut, Dec 19, 2005.

  1. #1
    Hi Guys,

    I have a question. If a visiter right clicks on google adsense ad and selects Open in new Window or Tab, does it affect adsense payout? There is some javascript asociated with ad urls on 'onClick' which wont be executed if open in new window, will the click still be considered valid?
    SEMrush
    (Google doesnt want the visiters to open links in new windows)
     
    Cybernaut, Dec 19, 2005 IP
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    ZeMMs Peon

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    #2
    I've also heard that if the visitor clicks on an ad.. and then after realising it doesnt open up a new window (changing on the page they're currently reading) he/she clicks on the 'Back' button will also not make it as a valid click.. is this true??
     
    ZeMMs, Dec 20, 2005 IP
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    #3
    It is a valid click in both cases
     
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    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #4
    fryman, what is your source for that statement?

    As far as I know, Google has never officially published their rules for what is and is not a "valid click".

    I am very interested in expanding my knowledge on this topic.
     
    Will.Spencer, Dec 20, 2005 IP
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    fryman Kiss my rep

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    #5
    Google pays for a click, doesntt matter how the page is loaded.

    In law, what isn't forbidden is allowed. If opening an ad with a right click wouldn't give credit they would of let you know that when you signed up.
     
    fryman, Dec 20, 2005 IP
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    #6
    But with smart pricing, maybe if the visitor click then go back-button, the payout will be less?

    Remember now Google is emphasizing on conversion rate for each click. They really want visitor to visit the advertised site and buy stuff. If the visitor clicks the back button, that means no purchase = less payout?
     
    my44, Dec 20, 2005 IP
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    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #7
    1. That only covers one of the scenarios mentioned above.

    2. I see plenty of clicks that Google doesn't pay for by comparing my AdSense Channel stats with the data I receive from AdSense Tracker. Many other AdSense publishers have reported unpaid clicks in this forum.

    3. When you don't know, it is not polite to state that you do. That gives people the wrong impression. That's how untrue rumors get started.
     
    Will.Spencer, Dec 20, 2005 IP
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    #8
    That's correct. Google pays for a click - no matter it is a left-click or right-click. :D
     
    sufyaaan, Dec 20, 2005 IP
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    #9
    Yeah... I would sure trust some adsense tracker stuff instead of google's stats... :rolleyes:

    I already explained it to you, want me to bring in the crayons and draw you a picture? Maybe that will help
     
    fryman, Dec 20, 2005 IP
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    Will.Spencer, what is your source for the opposite statement that it is NOTa valid click in both cases?
     
    sufyaaan, Dec 20, 2005 IP
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    #11
    I agree with fryman but I also would say that they may consider a minimum of time spent on the site clicked.

    If someone for example clicks on an ad and uses the backbutton within seconds then they count the click without giving credit.

    Anyway, this is just a guess
     
    Arnie, Dec 20, 2005 IP
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    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #12
    Wow, this code is dense:
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    Will.Spencer, Dec 20, 2005 IP
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    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #13
    Ahem. Where did I say that?

    We don't know and it is irresponsible and dishonest to claim otherwise.
     
    Will.Spencer, Dec 20, 2005 IP
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    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #14
    A completely ridiculous statement and without any degree of technical merit.

    You explained only that you have zero evidence to support your whimsical claim. That is not terribly impressive.
     
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    Cybernaut Peon

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    #15
    Hey fryman and Will.Spencer, you are arguing without properly considering my question. :) Let me explain in more detail. This is a Google Ad link:

    <a class="ad" id="aw0" target="_top" href="/pagead/iclk?sa=l&ai=BmMWgm9-nQ7aZIqa4wQHY1YyXDc-UiBDrnJmSAcCNtwGwvRAQARgBIK-P-wEoAkCaFEilOVDbxt62-P____8BmAG6gdOXAaAB84r2_gOyARdmb3J1bXMuZGlnaXRhbHBvaW50LmNvbboBCTQ2OHg2MF9hc8gBAZUCS7AwCg&num=1&adurl=http://www.google.com/adsense%3Fsourceid%3DASO%26subid%3DUS-HA-SYN&client=ca-pub-9103196107628621" onfocus="ss('go to www.google.com/adsense','aw0')" onclick="ha('aw0')" onmouseover="return ss('go to www.google.com/adsense','aw0')" onmouseout="cs()">[INDENT]<b>
    Google AdSense
    </b>[/INDENT]</a>
    Code (markup):
    And this is onClick event:

    onclick="ha('aw0')"
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    The original url is:

    http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/iclk?sa=l&ai=BmMWgm9-nQ7aZIqa4wQHY1YyXDc-UiBDrnJmSAcCNtwGwvRAQARgBIK-P-wEoAkCaFEilOVDbxt62-P____8BmAG6gdOXAaAB84r2_gOyARdmb3J1bXMuZGlnaXRhbHBvaW50LmNvbboBCTQ2OHg2MF9hc8gBAZUCS7AwCg&num=1&adurl=http://www.google.com/adsense%3Fsourceid%3DASO%26subid%3DUS-HA-SYN&client=ca-pub-9103196107628621
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    and after click, it becomes:

    http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/iclk?sa=l&ai=BmMWgm9-nQ7aZIqa4wQHY1YyXDc-UiBDrnJmSAcCNtwGwvRAQARgBIK-P-wEoAkCaFEilOVDbxt62-P____8BmAG6gdOXAaAB84r2_gOyARdmb3J1bXMuZGlnaXRhbHBvaW50LmNvbboBCTQ2OHg2MF9hc8gBAZUCS7AwCg&num=1&adurl=http://www.google.com/adsense%3Fsourceid%3DASO%26subid%3DUS-HA-SYN&client=ca-pub-9103196107628621[B]&nh=1&jca=9072[/B]
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    Note the additional "&nh=1&jca=9072" appended at the end of the url. That is what onClick function does. If you right click an open in new window, the original url is opened because there is no onClich event fired. Now which one is a valid link/click?

    BTW, its in the generated page source, so I hope its not any violation of Google TOS to analyze it. :eek:
     
    Cybernaut, Dec 20, 2005 IP
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    #16
    Cybernaut they are trying to answer your question.

    Fryman thinks it will work either way, and Will is saying that you shouldn't be so sure.

    I agree with Will on this one though. Without emailing Google I think it could be highly likely that right clicked ads are not counted. I guess if anyone here goes through that javascript code they might be able to figure it out as well.

    Fryman, leave the crayons at home and lets try to get some real work done.
     
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    #17
    Cybernaut, that is extremely interesting.

    I was looking at the code for an AdSense 160x600 skyscraper.

    What you are showing is the code for some sort of different ad. Would I be correct to guess that this is a Google AdSense Referral link like this one?

    [​IMG]

    I think we're going to need a real JavaScript guru...
     
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    #18
    No, it is not a refferal link, it is a part of the actual output of the adsense javascript code (in IFRAME). This is the full code for a banner ad:

    <html>
    
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    <style><!--
    .ch{cursor:pointer;cursor:hand}a.ad:link { color: #000066 }a.ad:visited { color: #000066 }a.ad:hover { color: #000066 }a.ad:active { color: #000066 }a.search:link { color: #000000 }a.search:visited { color: #000000 }a.search:hover { color: #000000 }a.search:active { color: #000000 }a.attribution:link { color: #000000 }a.attribution:visited { color: #000000 }a.attribution:hover { color: #000000 }a.attribution:active { color: #000000 }  //-->
    </style>
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    function cs(){window.status='';} 
    function jcc(a) {pha=document.getElementById(a); nc=pha.href.indexOf('&jca='); if(nc>=1) return; sv=String.fromCharCode(52,55,49,56,52,56,52,52,50); sv=sv.slice(5,9); jca=(495)+parseInt(sv); if (a=='aw0') {jca+=(-1348);} else if (a=='aw1') {jca+=(-3196);} else {jca=0;} phb=pha.href+'&jca='+jca; pha.href=phb;} 
    [B]function ha(a)[/B]{  pha=document.getElementById(a); nhi=pha.href.indexOf("&nh=");if(nhi < 1) {phb=pha.href+"&nh=1";} pha.href=phb; jcc(a); }
    function ca(a) {  pha=document.getElementById(a); nci=pha.href.indexOf("&nc=");if(nci < 1) {phb=pha.href+"&nc=1";} pha.href=phb; jcc(a); top.location.href=document.getElementById(a).href;}
    function ga(o,e) {if (document.getElementById) {a=o.id.substring(1);p = "";r = "";g = e.target;if (g) {t = g.id;f = g.parentNode;if (f) {p = f.id;h = f.parentNode;if (h)r = h.id;}} else {h = e.srcElement;f = h.parentNode;if (f)p = f.id;t = h.id;}if (t==a || p==a || r==a)return true;pha=document.getElementById(a); nbi=pha.href.indexOf("&nb=");if(nbi < 1) {phb=pha.href+"&nb=1";} pha.href=phb; jcc(a); top.location.href=document.getElementById(a).href;}}
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    The 'function ha(a)' append '&nh=x&jca=xxxx' to the url. Will google accept the url without this extra query string? That is what i was asking. :)
     
    Cybernaut, Dec 20, 2005 IP