How would you test this? If you build two sites and went for a some what competitive keyword it would take more then one link to get the site to show up and you stand a chance of going into the sandbox. If you make up a keyword it would only make sense that even with a penalty you should show up #1 and #2. Unless the author is saying that once I submit the site to Google that I can not make the site show up for anything.
It's impossible to get a spam penalty or any penalty at all by submitting your site through that url. Imagine: I'm your competitor and I submit your site 100 times. Google is not that stupid to penalize the submitted site for that
Bravo! This is a very valuable thread. This is a wonderful example that exposes the need for critical thinking. My hat is off to all who have participated. ... There is a big difference between things that are written because someone has something important to say, and things written because it is important to say something. cd ... Caryl
According to Danny, G invites people to add their url, then smacks them over the head for doing so. It defies logic, even for G. I’m not an SEO professional, but what I find offensive is that in Danny’s article, he comes off as a snake oil salesman. That alone is degrading enough. But, to then make claims that are very likely false is a black eye to the entire profession. I’m pleased to see so many here working to set the record straight.
wow! This thread made for some lively reading this morning. Actually found the thread through our log files. Thanks for the links Danny!
You mean his "In lesson two we have learned ..." attitude of assuming that his word is IT? hehe but seriously I would not rule out that Google is somehow manipulating behind the scenes and giving advantages to those who don't submit. They pulically said " Create a quality site and don't worry about rankings". Anyone who focusses on PR and so on needs to rethink things. I would not submit any url's because doing so defines any logic knowing that incoming links are what will get you to be picked up.
not trying to put DMOZ into this but here is a good example of an seochat article being complete garbage: http://www.resource-zone.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35315&page=2
I believe Rob was addressing the topic of the thread. And pointing out that if the claim were even partly true people would be using it to try to hurt new competitors' sites.
exactly, I got that. I also know that when a site is found thru a DMOZ listing it avoids the sandbox, it has also been said that a different PR is being assigned if a web site is found thru a direct submission. Could it be that the most deciding factor is how a site is found? That would not make it possible to hurt and already indexed sites thru additional submissions.
And how do you "know" that? Tutor, sometimes your posts baffle me. This is what this entire thread has been about. Have you been reading the last 13 pages? The hypothesis is nonsense.
Well, we'll see what happens. I just submitted every site found in the signatures posted in this thread.
minstrel, You can't be serious! You know that means they will be listed in DMOZ as well as Yahoo!!! Boy...
Man, we are sitting on a GOLD MINE here! Shawn, please password protect this thread before word gets out...
Well I guess I should go out and submit my competitor's site as often as I can today huh? Anyone feel like writing me a script to do this 1000 times a day? Then I am sure all my competitors would do the same to me and before you know it, boom, every single page is penalized.... matter of fact Google is probably finished now.... hmm something about this doesnt quite compute for me...
Lets look at it like this. Statement A It is better for Google to find your site through a spidered link from another site. If Statement A is true, then you can also say the obverse is true in Statement B. It is worse if Google does not find your site through a spidered link from another site. Lets look at it from a purely PR standpoint. If you use the Add URL feature and wait for Google to spider your site, and you do not get back links ... what's your PR going to be? If you DO NOT use the Add URL feature and you get a backlink from a PR6 or 7 site as I recommend in the article ... do you think your PR will be better, and through that your rankings?