Goodbye Google Pagerank

Not much? Seriously, some day search for a competitive term and check the PR of the resutls. Low/No PR sites with proper anchor text and internal SEO outrank a site with high pagerank any day.

 

Pagerank is important but that depends .
Google cant detect PR fraud .

These lame articles are nothing new !

 

And how exactly do you know this to be true?

 

I just disagree. PR do not make a site clim in SERP. Period.

 

This is well known by anyone with experience...

 

I agree...

 

PR is not important to me as it was at first but it still factors in to some of my decisions. I will have to say thought that it indicates to me the 'health or strength' of my site so I will still use it at times and it does have an influence on who I link up with.

 

Google's PR is one of the most important factor in serp positioning. The ones who are complaining and babbling about PR being useless couldn't achieve a good PR themselves. Truth is PR doesn't directly depend on backlinks either, and it is true. I know its written on the google webmastercentral as well, but it honestly depends on the quality of your content. Uniqueness in your content still counts like a savage beast unleashed. Yes you can play with the google PR yourself but sooner or later google somehow will find it out and penalize you like a brat. Consider our Johnny boy, (yes john chow) look at his site today and try to remember what it was like two years back. And if your sole purpose for a site is to achieve PR and sell links, you will never earn it. Thats a fact and each one of you know that. Google's PR is like the term CEO and the serp can be considered as your salary. Google's PR is about reputation of a site, its the UNSELFISH contribution of that site to the society in the internet as a whole. There is no doubt that PR does matter, and it matters a lot. Otherwise, when you search for computers, Dell wouldn't show up as the number one result even though it has 9,890 backlinks while apple has 93,900. So please don't be naive and respect the PR. Cheers.

 

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#1 for 'computers' is PR7
#4 for 'computers' is PR9

 

I appreciate the effort, but regardless of what GWC or anyone says, actual internal PageRank is ALL about backlinks.... that is all that PageRank is... nothing else. No authority rank, no PaIR, no temporal factors.... PageRank is about links and nothing else...

Now, that doesn't mean that RANKING is all about PageRank. Since it's inception many other reanking mechanisms have been implemented. Furthermore ToolBar PageRank is not trustable for showing real time live internal PageRank....it is an oft updated, occassionally hand edited metric which is useless in SEO....

BUT to say that PR is not about backlinks or that it is useless, is simply wrong.

Last fall I reviewed the latest patent Google's updates to the original PageRank patent which you can find here; Tale of 2 PageRank patents

The patent itself can be found here; http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-...7,269,587.PN.&OS=pn/7,269,587&RS=PN/7,269,587

There is nothing in there about content or uniqueness. For that you should be looking at areas relating to duplicate content (ha ha haha)

and for that see these recent Google patents

... but seriously, what everyone is talking about is TOOLBAR PAGERANK.... this is NOT actual internal PR... ya'll are missing the boat.

Once upon a time there was PageRank, since then there have been many other algorithms added to the mix and that is why the relation of PR to SERPs gets mixed up by those not 'skilled in the art', (patent junkies will understand what that means)

Think of it as layers of an onion....

I have no problem stating that TBPR is a useless metric. Saying that PR is useless is simply showing people's ignorance of how the indexing and retrieval prcocesses work.

As I was saying earlier today, look at the temporal factors alone that Google looks at;

From ' the lost Google Patent'

How about looking into Phrase Based Indexing and Retrieval from Google?

Are we getting the idea yet? Google didn't merely take the PageRank concepts and call it a day... they are constantly adding new layers (methods) to improve it... thus it is not the entirety, but it is still the core...

This year alone we have the following;

Now, can any of you smart folks tell me what IS the ranking process thus telling me that PageRank is useless?

I spend a great deal of time understanding search engineering and the statements in this post are simply misleading to those looking to learn....

....now SHOW me where it is that Google PageRank is not being used and I will start advising people to stop link building... because that is ALL that the PageRank alogrithm is based on.... further methods are simply additions to the core algo...

Anyone?

 

You sir, are an idiot.
1)Jealous of PR? Gimme a friggin break. I can get PR, and have it. But it's the internal SEO, and the fact I know how to set up proper anchor text that lets me rank.
2)PR has to do with unique/quality content? LMFAO. My specialty is blackhat sites. So we're talking seriously nonsensical content. Some of these sites have gotten to PR5. Some domains I've bought have existed for 1 year+ as just a parked page, and have had good PR. Unique content my shiny white butt.
Beyond that, the entire concept of siloing contradicts what you say. So better tell all the real experts your theory...OH WAIT. Siloing actually works, and is well documented. So I guess you're wrong.
3)PR is considered a salary? The only real use for it is selling links, which they don't like. So that whole point is completely ridiculous.

In closing, I'll give you the same basic statement I give to all wannabes who talk like you.
Believe what you want, take my advice if you want. Either way, I'll rest assured I wipe my butt with your yearly paycheck.

 

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Yeah, but how many PR0 sites are ranking for a heavy hitting KW like 'computers'. Saying PageRank doesn't matter when it comes to getting organic search traffic is like the proverbial ostrich hiding its head in the sand.

The point of putting up unique, quality content is to get "votes of popularity" as measured by others linking to your pages, which in turn produces PR, which in turn produces SERPs. That is the way things work in 2008. Until semantic search becomes truly smart enough to determine good content from rubbish, then this is how content will continued to be ranked.

 

PR0? Not many for single word terms.
But let's take a look at the "buy viagra" serps. MagicBluePill.com has managed to rank top 10 for quite a long time. Pagerank? 5. And actually it's current ranking page is PR4. For one of the most competitive terms on the net today, that's not high at all.
But also, those sites that are ranking for "computers" actually got the proper anchor text and such. They are not ranking because of the PR alone. They are ranking because they got proper SEO and linkbuilding beyond raw PR numbers.

 

Hi ... my experience is quite similar to SandRodz. My site moved up from PR2 to PR4, and more pages seemed to get indexed more quickly. The PR move was due to building back links, a tedious or costly job, depending what approach you take. Then my site SERPs increased, I went from page 7 to bouncing around pages 1 and 2. I discovered a simple-minded way to get listed on a PR9 site. Now, the site map section, of Dashboard, reports my site is checked, by google, every 2-4 days, compared with 2-3 weeks before. Last, for now, I had to beg writers to contribute to my site, when the PR was 2; at PR4, they're asking me, almost every day. Hope this helps. Good luck.

 

Sorry everyone, but what this man saying is true. I have proofs. My OWN SITE. My website was started on May 2007 and now it's PR 0 after my PR was dropped from 3. Yet, I am still ranked one in a competitive keyword while my competitors are PR 3, 4, 3, etc (since a few months ago). Oh, i forget to mention its longtail keywords which i get the first ranks as well. I also has been targeting another keyword from a few weeks ago and my SERP for that one is also improving, now already in the page 1. My PR is 0. PM me if you want to know the URL, I will prove that, but you must give me green rep because I'm not revealing my gold digger website for free. And not, my SEO method is not black hat. Basically, it's all about smarter link building with the correct anchor text and on page optimization.

For comparison, i also have a PR 4 website but it's ranked outside the top 50 for its targeted keyword. I can also tell you about this website in PM.

 

People who say PR is meaningless is like poor people saying that money isn't everything. Sure it's not everything...it's 99.9% of everything.

 

Same here. My PR3 site was around #30-#33 for a particular keyphrase.
It is now PR2 and it is around #8-#10 for the same keyphrase.
I didn't care about links and PR, I cared about SERP. I worked it for SERP and not for PR....and it shows...

 

How many sites with high PR don't get decent rankings in the Search Engines?
Not many; so it shows something.