That's a pretty good article. Unfortunately, the people who believe that George W. Bush masterminded the attacks on the WTC and the Pentagon are extremely resistant to both fact and reason.
The correct sentence would be: Unfortunately, christians and right-wing conservatives are extremely resistant to both fact and reason.
I honestly don't know and keep an open mind to all possibilities. I certainly doubt the official story, and believe evidence points to government foreknowledge and cover up at the very least.
Since both the points that have been cleared up and the points that hav'nt been cleared up are all constructed in the same way, by the same people and the same sources, I wouldn't put much in trust for that.
I believe that the government did have foreknowledge of the attacks. That's a big Duh! We've known for decades that Islamists terrorists like to hijack airplanes and murder people. I can't help but laugh at the people who scream "The government knew about this!" Hell, we all knew about this. It is as if those people never watched the news before 2001. We didn't know the exact plan, the exact dates and times and flight numbers, the exact targets, or the exact perpetrators. But we all knew that more effective attacks were inevitable. I have seen no evidence of a cover-up, just the usual beauracratic ineptitude and petty interdepartmental conflict. Some people see "the government" as one large beauracratic entity, but that's not the way it is. It's really thousands and thousands of tiny little beauracratic entities. After a disaster of this magnitude, each little beauracratic fiefdom will claim "We knew this and no one would listen" or "They should have known this, but they didn't." That's called "maneuvering for budget." It has no real meaning outside of the government. The media has picked up on it and they sell it as a story to people who just don't understand how the system works.
That's where I disagree. There's plenty of evidence that some people in the government knew it was happening very soon, and evidence that some people knew exactly when it would take place. Then there's also the text messages sent to Jewish Odigo employees warning the attack would take place.. and the NORAD/Government "exercises" of planes crashing into the WTC and the Pentagon only months before 9/11.... the fact that Bush wouldn't let anyone investigate Bin Laden's before 9/11... The simple fact that bush wanted NO INDEPENDANT investigations besides his screams coverup all over it. Also the fact that we spent petty amounts on bush's investigation of 9/11 compared to the JFK assassination or Bill Clintons Sex scandal. The fact that they banned any photograph of the WTC aftermath and shipped away all the steel to China... the fact that there was NO AIR DEFENSE AT ALL to stop any of the planes...
Wasn't that rumor traced back to some neo-Nazi nutcase who just made it up? That rumor is still being spread on Nazi web sites such as NewsNet14, but has not been pushed by even the virulently anti-Bush MSM like CBS and CNN. The military does exercises. It's how they spend the vast majority of their time during peacetime. In addition, the exercises were not "planes crashing into the WTC and the Pentagon", they were planes crashing into buuldings. That whole exercise was against a planned attack from North Korea, no? And it was cancelled because the threat level was not deemed to justify the expense. Or am I thinking of the wrong exercise? We have had plenty of investigations of Osama bin Laden, before and after 9/11. President Bush does not have the authority to "not let anyone investigate bin Laden." President Bush had hoped to dedicate his term as President to domestic issues, when reality handed him another set of tasks. You are free to run whatever independant investigation you wish. The administration wisely avoided multiple investigations because such a clusterfuck would be certain to cause partisan blamesmanship. The goal was to try to keep the country together in a time of crisis. That has not worked well, because the Bush administration underestimated the willingness of certain factions to put their own political agendas ahead of the good of the country. We have wasted plenty of taxpayer dollars to document an attack that Osama bin Laden has already taken credit for. I have seen plenty of photographs of the WTC aftermath. Try Google Image Search. As I have tried to explain on numerous occassions -- there is no effective defense of the United States. I don't know how I can make this more clear. The reality of today's technology is that attack is easy (for us or them) -- but effective defense is impossible. ------------------------------------------------------------------- All of this being said, I believe that these are all beside the point. The point is that random and anonymous individuals can and do invent baseless accusations and completel fanciful facts for their own malicious purposes. These new "facts" then find their way onto conspiracy web sites. As each "fact" is repeated, it gains credibility. Of course it must be true, it's being repeated on a thousand web sites. The reality is that people who want to believe in Martians will believe in Martians -- no matter what the evidence shows. I am certain that you will be able to come up with dozens of other "unexplained facts." I'm 36 years old and I still don't know why gravity works. There will always be unexplained facts. Being in posession of an unexplained fact is not some sort of badge of honor. Conspiracy theorists treat unexplained facts -- even made up ones -- as the holy gospel of truth. Such is not the case. Unexplained facts in highly political environments trend statistically towards being either untrue, misunderstood, or irrelevant. Are you familiar with Occams Razor?
Not a rumor, the real deal, even washington post reported it . The instant messaging service Odigo, says that two of its workers at their Israeli facility received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen Wrong Again will. Exercises included crashing planes into the WTC and the Pentagon. 1999 - NORAD starts conducting exercises in which airplanes are hijacked and crashed into targets which include the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. October 24, 2000 - The Pentagon conducts the first of two emergency training exercises called MASCAL which is about a mock plane crash of a passenger aircraft into the Pentagon less than a year before 9/11. If you want to be arrested.... November 7, 2001 - US agents told to back off bin Ladens and Saudi Royals soon after George W Bush became president. Once again, it was banned. I wonder why September 26, 2001 - Mayor Rudolph Giuliani bans all video and photography at the WTC. Now that I've clearly proved you wrong, on all points I made, I suggest you read the other 200+ here - http://killtown.911review.org/911smokingguns.html
Alex Diamandis, vice president for sales and marketing with Odigo Inc, said there was nothing specifically about the attacks in the message
No source from latehorn as usual... Micha Macover, CEO of the company, said the two workers received the messages and immediately after the terror attack informed the company's management, which immediately contacted the Israeli security services, which brought in the FBI
Yes I do have a source, uhm.. some sources, but I can give you two: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_domestic_conspiracy_theory and http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_claims_regarding_Jews_or_Israel wow
So, tracking down not the link you posted, but the actual post from the Washington Post: http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A2325-2001Oct3¬Found=true That clearly paints the exact opposite impression from the one which your modified excerpt of the story painted. The actual article clearly points to the terrorists as the originators of the message. The article confirms what I said about the Pentagon exercise being cancelled. However, you are correct about training exercises based on the WTC. This makes sense, as the World Trade Centers were a previous target of a terrorist attack designed to destroy them. As I stated, the military does exercises. It's how they spend the vast majority of their time during peacetime. No, you will not "be arrested" for investigating the Saudi's. Please don't be silly. That's not a ban on investigation, that's a priorization of resources. We don't spend a lot of time investigating our allies. The Saudi's, irrespective of how much you (or I) may like them -- are our allies. You don't need to wonder. It's explained even in your excerpt from the article. Humans have this weird thing where they don't like to see the body parts of their loved ones displayed on TV. Oh Jesus -- you are claiming that a one day ban on photgraphy at a crime scene by a city mayor is part of a federal conspiracy to murder three thousand Americans? Do you recognize the term "grasping at straws?" All you have done is take a lot of quotes out of context and make yourself look bad by doing so. Really, honestly, do you believe anything that you type? You appear to be much more focused on creating grief and misery than you are on finding the truth. If you were honestly focused on finding the truth, you would not bend and misuse facts as much as you have just now. What do you hope to gain with such intellectual dishonesty?
Except that they warned to the exact minute the attack took place. And it never tells who sent it, or exactly what it contained. It dissapeared after the FBI was notified. No it doesn't. It says they sent the computer address of someone to the FBI. It also confirms they had exercises for crashing planes into the WTC, not just any buildings, like you claimed. Need I remind you of the high ranking FBI officer that was stopped from investigating, forced to retire from the FBI, and handed a security job at WTC on a silver platter for 3x more than he ever made, where he STARTED ON 9/11 AND WAS KILLED. Surely just a coincidence How long would it take to remove evidence? It also says that any photographers were continually harrassed and threatened, even after the ban was lifted.
Please re-read. This article supports my theory that the message was sent by the terrorists. Yep. I didn't know about that one, but it fits perfectly into my theory -- the U.S. Government (as incompetent as it may be) works to defend the United States. I've explained this twice in the last hour. I'm not sure how long you can hand on to your "unexplained facts" when they keep being explained to you. Everyone gets a huge pay raise when they leave government service. That's a big duh. Bad luck for him. It would be impossible to remove evidence without the cooperation of thousands of police officers, firemen, and volunteers. I had a friend who hitchhiked to NYC to volunteer at the site on the days after the attack. He worked without sleep, putting little pieces of people in plastic bags. I'm pretty certain that John isn't part of any vast conspiracy. Well, isn't that amazing? Normal humans and police officers both don't like ghouls snapping pictures of their dead loved ones. Hey wait, I explained this one in my last post. This is senseless. You're not reading, you're just cut and pasting crap that would be ridiculous for even you to believe. You're trolling.
That's a laugh. I made my points, you responded, I responded to your response. That's not trolling. If you don't want a response, and don't want me to defend my position - then don't reply to my post. I'm getting tired of you claiming "abuse" and "poor behavior" when I happen to know you're part of the red rep crew who searches for posts outside of Gen Chat/Politics just so the red rep get's full effect - that's poor behavior and abuse. Get off your high horse
You are trolling because you responded to my response -- but you did not read my response. If you ask a question and get an answer -- that's normal forum behavior. If you ask a question and get an answer -- and then ask the same question again -- that's trolling.
Perhaps we should look behind the scene and ask, "why can conspiracy theories go so far?" Now, and where so ever you may live, the problem is that all govts face the same problems. Some are the daily hoaxes, "warnings" (thousands a day) they receive, though sometimes even backed up with some kind of evidence, there's no reaction. Just simply disbelief and a "this can't be" attitude. In most of the cases (serious ones included) take up to seven year before it becomes an agenda and the whole aparatus is working on that subject. Sad but true ( I had this experience twice observed). Govts need to become more flexible, and must pay more attention to warnings from none govt sources. In the case of 9/11 there is a partial guilt from the govt as well, - but who wants to admit it? Sometimes govst act as subcultures themselves, without responsibilty and sensitivness.