God will forgive anything except becoming a non-Muslim.

I don't think I mentioned his avatar.

And I don't know what you mean by "parachutist".

 

How typical. The troll declares victory because he's changed topic and can't get people to follow. I don't think anyone here would agree that how and when I became a Muslim has anything to do with the topic.

Now, Isreal, explain to me again how people who murder women and children will enter heaven. In fact, just repeating the phrase will do. Say it out loud for all of us.


People who murder women and children will enter heaven

Common. You can do it. You've already clearly stated that is what you believe. Say it again, just as a reminder for the rest of us.

 

Why did you convert to Islaam and how?

Answer it.

 

You didn't say Simon says . You also didn't repeat your belief as I commanded you to. DO IT! DO IT NOW!!!!

Seriously though, to borrow your words, "I'm not going to discuss my religion with an ignoramus that pretends to be Muslim".

 

You seriously have a mental problem.

As for murderers going to heaven, it's a possibility, are you God to tell us who is and who is not?

The man who killed 99 men:

Abu Sa' id Al-Khudri (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: Prophet of Allah (Peace be upon him) said:

"There was a man from among a nation before you who killed ninety-nine people and then made an inquiry about the most learned person on the earth. He was directed to a monk. He came to him and told him that he had killed ninety-nine people and asked him if there was any chance for his repentance to be accepted. He replied in the negative and the man killed him also completing one hundred. He then asked about the most learned man in the earth. He was directed to a scholar. He told him that he had killed one hundred people and asked him if there was any chance for his repentance to be accepted. He replied in the affirmative and asked, 'Who stands between you and repentance? Go to such and such land; there (you will find) people devoted to prayer and worship of Allah, join them in worship, and do not come back to your land because it is an evil place.' So he went away and hardly had he covered half the distance when death overtook him; and there was a dispute between the angels of mercy and the angels of torment. The angels of mercy pleaded, 'This man has come with a repenting heart to Allah,' and the angels of punishment argued, 'He never did a virtuous deed in his life.' Then there appeared another angel in the form of a human being and the contending angels agreed to make him arbiter between them. He said, 'Measure the distance between the two lands. He will be considered belonging to the land to which he is nearer.' They measured and found him closer to the land (land of piety) where he intended to go, and so the angels of mercy collected his soul".
[Al-Bukhari and Muslim].

This man had the intention to repent and was forgiven, I don't think he even repented, yet he was forgiven.

It is very clear that God can forgive anything, he is not like the fictitious Christian god that has to kill his alleged son to forgive everyone.

If someone dies however having committed "shirk" without repentance he is doomed, but anything less than "shirk" can (maybe) be forgiven in the hereafter whether the person has repented or not.

 

In the US most who converts to Islam are African Americans.

 

That's true, (a) because Muslims tend to live in areas where there are African Americans, thus they get to see more Muslims than others.

(b) And because Christianity has failed them, just go into American cities and you will find churches for black people and churches for white people, they are divided by race!

(c) And because Christianity just does not make sense.

(d) And because the slave trade in the past was inspired by the bible.

(e) And ethnic minorities of a country have less barriers to interact, they are both somewhat oppressed so they kind of dialogue.

(f) And it helps them to stop crimes and intoxicants, something that Christianity has failed them in.

The case is the same over here, in my locality alone there hundreds of Black British converts.

This is not to say that other races do not convert.

 

Muslim Rally

 

That is the "Nation of Islam" followers in that picture, those guys have noting to do with Islaam. It was founded only recently and they have some disturbing beliefs, e.g. "The original black race of man is superior, especially to the white man: a race of "blue-eyed devils" created by the black man"

Here you can compare Real Islaam vs the nation of islam:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_of_Islam#Comparison_with_traditional_Islam

We are aware that false prophets will emerge:

Once the Prophet of Allah said, while delivering a ceremonial speech at an occasion of a solar eclipse, as Samura son of Jundub reported:

"...Verily by God, the Last Hour will not come until 30 liars of prophecy will appear and the final one will be the One-eyed False Messiah."

(Narrated by Imam Ahmad as a sound Hadeeth).

The guy who founded the nation of islam is one of those false prophets.

Many of them now convert to real Islaam, examples are Malcom X and Muhammad Ali who both left that cult.

 

Taking aside for a moment the Sunni(and therefore questionable) source of this story, tell me this. Do you think a suicide bomber who kills women and children dies with repentance in his/her heart? If not, your story is yet further confirmation these people are going to hell.

 

Thanks for the information.

I was only looking if I could see Obamanation's legalized parents in the US.

So where is the American people's repentance for the thousand they help kill and slaughter. I think its much worse than a suicide bomber.

 

Dad?

You shouldn't try and think. Its clearly not doing you any good.

 

Suicide is not permissible.

I'm not going to judge these people, it's not my job, all we can say is that they are doing something that is not allowed. And perhaps they will get punished and perhaps they won't, I'm not the Judge (God).

The general rule is that yes they will be punished, but we don't point the finger at certain individuals and say "you my friend are going to hell".

And do not kill yourselves. Surely, Allaah is Most Merciful to you}, [Qur'aan.,4:29].

As for the "Sunnah", then the Sunnah is part of Islaam, and whoever rejects it is not a Muslim.

 

My oh my. No rush to judgement, even though the Qu'ran is crystal clear on the matter? Somehow, I doubt you would be so lenient if it were one of your fellow Islamists that had second thoughts about Sharia or condemning the US. What a wonderful backwards double standard. Sounds like you would like to re-write the Qu'ran, "Allah will only forgive you if you are a blood thirsty murderer".

And you found that in the Qu'ran... right? LoL.

Muslim: One who submits to Allah.

I don't see anything about the Sunnah there.

 

Indeed a Muslim is one who submits to Allaah's will.

Both the Qur'aan and Sunnah are revelations. The one that rejects 1 bit of these revelations is not a Muslim, e.g. following the Qur'aan only, or following the Sunnah only, or rejecting 1 verse of the Qur'aan, etc.,this is because it's partial submission, and the Muslim is one who submits fully.

Here is where the Qur'aan points us to follow the Sunnah of the Prophet (peace be upon him):

1. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “He who obeys the Messenger has indeed obeyed Allaah . . .” [Qur'aan’ 4:80]

So if you are following a Hadith (narration) of the Prophet (peace be upon him) you are obeying Allaah, because it's revelation, not invented by the Prophet (peace be upon him). There is no other way to "obey" him, those at his time heard his commands, they later recorded it so we could also.

2. But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, until they make you [Muhammad] judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission.” [Qur'aan’ 4:65]

Since the Prophet (peace be upon him) has passed away there is no other way to take our "disputes" to him, but his narrations are still here, they have been recorded so that we can make use of them.

This verse is the proof that whoever rejects the narrations (hadith) of the Prophet (peace be upon him) has "no faith" meaning he is not a Muslim!

And there is more, but we will suffice with this.

 

Those from your sect of Islam believe this, but it is most definitely a matter of dispute, and there is certainly nothing in the Qu'ran to pre-authenticate the Sunnah.

Find me the part of the Qu'ran that says one who does not follow 1 bit of the Sunnah is not a Muslim. Interesting that you have openly stated one who kills innocent Muslim women and children will enter heaven, in direct rejection of the revelations in the Qu'ran. More evidence you are not a Muslim.

Note that it says "He who obeys the Messenger" not "He who obeys the interpretation of what someone said the messenger said". Keep digging, pal.

Again, not one word about the Sunnah. Not one. Muhammad(PBUH) is dead, but his words remain in the Qu'ran.


Cutting through the clutter and contradiction in your twisted beliefs, at least you got this right.

 

Loved this line in the Sun article:

"Today The Sun can reveal how busty Yasmin has turned her BACK on her father's fundamentalist teachings to flash her FRONT in men's clubs."

 

A life can not be returned, there is no repentance from its destruction. "Thou shall not kill"

Only by reversal can repentance be possible - otherwise the expulsion is complete.

 

It's not a matter of dispute, this is the original Islaam.

Layman are not considered to have an opinion, their opinions are ignored.

“Say (O Muhammad): “Obey Allaah and the Messenger (Muhammad).” But if they turn away, then Allaah does not like the disbelievers” Qur'aan 3:32

Notice the word "and", there is a clear distinction, if we was to follow the Qur'aan only then Allaah would not have used "and".

The verse goes onto that Allaah The Most High does not like the "disbelievers", meaning that whoever turns away from the sayings (Hadith) of the Prophet (peace be upon him) is a disbeliever, wether it's 1 hadith or 100 or 1000.

What are you talking about, which interpretation, a Hadith is the words of the Prophet, not an interpretation by anyone.

Wrong. The Qur'aan is not the words of the Prophet (peace be upon him) at all, It's the Words of Allaah:

“And if anyone of the Mushrikoon (polytheists, idolaters, pagans, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allaah) seeks your protection then grant him protection so that he may hear the Word of Allaah”

[al-Tawbah 9:6]

And I will say it again.

A Muslim is the one who fully submits to the will of Allaah and not partially, the one that rejects something of the commands of Allaah (saying that it's not from Allaah) is not considered a Muslim, but rather a disbeliever who is doomed for eternal hellfire.

“”But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, *until* they make you [Muhammad] judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission.” [Qur'aan’ 4:65]

The only way to make the Prophet (peace be upon him) a judge in our disputes is to go back to his recorded authentic narrations.

And whoever contradicts and opposes the Messenger (Muhammad (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam)) after the right path has been shown clearly to him, and follows other than the believers' way. We shall keep him in the path he has chosen, and burn him in Hell - what an evil destination. Qur'aan 4:115

The above verse is also a threat to those who reject truth when it reaches them.

It's all very clear, but I know you (as an non Muslim) will try to dispute this with false arguments that don't even make sense. It seems you are being paid (as many on the internet get paid) to go and spread propaganda and give a false image of Islaam.

 

There are individuals and there are twins (evil) born in this world. A person such as YOU should understand that Mr. Barr.