God will forgive anything except becoming a non-Muslim.

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  1. Jackob2916

    Jackob2916 Peon

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    #181

    Please attach real pics man...... so that the debate may get long and everyone would like to give answers...it seems that Muslim man has got married to some foreigner and her daughter is the same as shown in the picture....................
     
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  2. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    Israel, this is going to get real old (not like it hasn't already), if you are going to keep digging up the same stuff, which has already been disputed, to back your claims.

    Which is why we mostly ignore you. On topic, you regularly quote numbers about the growth of Islam while including people who most definitely have an opinion that differs from your ridiculous beliefs. Who are you to determine who is or is not the layman. More blasphemy.

    We have been over this. Lets do it again. the word "And" clearly refers Allah and Muhammad(PBUH). What it does not say is "Allah and the Sunnah", or "Allah and some useless turd in the UK who hates most people".

    As you KNOW, once we get to hadith, many/most are not accepted by all of Islam. Most people I know would consider your attempts to stuff words into Muhammad's mouth to be blasphemous.

    I notice you still have not provided a direct quote from the Qu'ran naming and backing the Sunnah. Have you written your own Hadith yet? Maybe you could throw something in there explaining the path to heaven for suicide bombers, since you couldn't produce it from the Qu'ran.


    Wrong. Hadith are words the Prophet(PBUH) was reported to have said, as recorded years later, and therefore subject to interpretation. It is unbelievable that you would present the argument that all hadith are universally accepted by all Muslims. Its complete nonsense.

    The words of Allah as delivered by his Messenger(PBUH). Why do you seek to twist the truth?

    More repetition. This has been addressed. Simply repeating a verse that does not specifically authenticate your hadith will not change it's meaning. Next you'll tell me the words of Allah can be found inscribed on a turd you left in a toilet, and that all Muslims must submit to those words.

    What is laughable is you think that threat applies to your belief system. Don't worry my friend. You still have time to repent.

    What a wonderfully groundless conspiracy theory;). I suppose there is some truth to the concept. Right now, there are people in Afghanistan and Pakistan who are paid small sums of money in exchange for permitting their children to be indoctrinated with false beliefs like your own. These children later die with an explosive strapped to them, killing innocent Muslim women and children in the process. They sadly die thinking they died in the service of Allah. They are going to hell, just like the people who paid money to fill their heads with beliefs like your own.
     
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  3. IsraeI

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    #183
    You agree that Hadith's are to be followed.

    Finally, I never said all Hadith's are accepted, there are many fabricated Hadith, others have weak chains of narrations, and we are well aware of them.

    We have very strong systems in place to recognize the Authentic Hadeeth's.

    And sometimes it is subject to interpretations, you will have some interpreting a Hadith or a Verse in the Qur'aan in a different way, and the truth is that this religion has already been interpreted, there is no more room for interpretations or opinions, anyone who does this is known as an innovator. And those who follow the Qur'aan only are an extremely minority sect which has recently emerged known as "moderate Muslims" << it's in the name "moderate", they have been pressured into compromising their religion, they are worse than innovators they are no longer Muslims.

    :)
     
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  4. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    We? We meaning you?

    I'm going to do you a favor and support the idea that Islam is the fastest growing religion on the planet, but in doing so, I will be lumping in the hundreds of millions of Muslims who disagree with your choice in Hadith. This brings us back to the fundamental definition of Islam. One who submits to the will of Allah.

    LMAO. So you have twisted the words how you like them and it is settled with no room for argument! Now all you need is a brutal system of oppression to torture people who think your abusive interpretations are something less than settled. Lets call it, "Sharia"! Too bad the "settled" interpretation is different depending on which Sharia state we are referring to.

    So we have you on record. Those who follow the Qu'ran are not Muslims. :rolleyes:. What an all knowing genius you are!
     
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  5. IsraeI

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    Meaning our Scholars.

    We don't twist anything. This religion has been revealed, both Qur'aan and Hadith are revelation, and it already has been explained by the early Muslims, we have our creed and methodology and there is no differing in this, there is no room for any opinions.

    You do realize that Sharia is extracted from both Qur'aan and Hadith?

    Those who follow the Qur'aan only. Meaning those who reject Hadith.

    :)
     
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    #186
    Can someone enlighten me - is Sharia as a group of laws mentioned in the Quran or does it come from one of the Hadiths?
     
    sar420, Feb 3, 2011 IP