God Is Real!!!

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by kieranrobo, Aug 4, 2011.

  1. eric8476

    eric8476 Active Member

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    #141
    hey, PHPGator. long time..

    i think that the king james version on the bible is more reliable that other versions, because the other versions are from some basis of it and and are diluted.
     
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  2. Codythebest

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  3. eric8476

    eric8476 Active Member

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    #143
    from your link:

    "Isaiah 40:22
    It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth"

    source: http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=40617


    it says circle to me.......


    "revelation 7:1
    And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth"

    source: http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=40617


    arbitrary angles from a large scale earth


    -these are from your sources Codythebest-


    these are your sources Codythebest, we know that they are silly somewhat, why present them?
     
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  4. Codythebest

    Codythebest Notable Member

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    #144
    Eric, you should stop right here, for your own good...People are laughing already...
    When Jay Leno is not funny, I read that forum and see how stupid can be those guys over there...

    BTW, Eric, do you hate Belgium as well?
     
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    eric8476 Active Member

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    #145
    ............
     
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    #146
    For me is not ....
    I don't belive in God or such kind of fairy tails stories ...
     
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  7. Codythebest

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    #147
    It's probably a good idea for you to move to another forum... You get the same way of thinking...
     
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    Provenzano Active Member

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    #148
    Well, I am a theist. I believe in God but I never feel obliged to testify that God is real. Furthermore, trying to proves that God exists, is a silly occupation in my opinion. If you feel, then there is God for you. If you not, then worship something else or nothing.
    Think that you are in a football (soccer) match, and your team is losing and the score is 20-0. It is so unreasonable to dream that you will win but you may have "faith". If you were in the winning team, you wont have to think about whether if you win or not. And God is just like this, his existence does not be testified. The other way round, it is better to believe in him in this elusiveness and that is what keep your "faith" strong.
     
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    pigpromoter Well-Known Member

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    #149
    This forum should be about making money. Granted, it's full of newbiess who couldn't snag a hundred dollar bill if it flew and staggered in front of their eyes. But I'm not here to argue the quality of this forum, Shawn should be held accountable for it :D

    The question is: what the fuck are you doing here, in this thread, instead of making money? Assuming you're right about your God, does it make money for you? Do you get ANY revenue [either spiritual or material] from arguing that your god is there and it's got a big schlong and it's better than anybody else's god?

    For real, kids, grow the fuck up. You're here to make money. Start learning and drop these arguments that aren't going to get anywhere. I respect everyone's god, don't take it against me, but I don't think your god should keep you from what this forum is about: WORK!
     
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  10. The Webby

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    #150
    Ah, here comes a preacher... :rolleyes:

    No. The question is: what the fuck are you doing here, in this thread, instead of making money?!

    For real, learn to mind your own business..
    Some of us make enough money already, and we love to argue about stuffs we find interesting. We don't need you to tell us what to do.

    You find it worthless, mind your own business and do what you like. Just don't tell us what to do with our time.
     
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    #151
    Another post from The Webby I agree with word for word.

    I'll add, @pigpromoter some are doing both already. All work and no play...well you can research the rest of that quote whilst doing your SEO.
     
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    #152
    it's been a week, i had a day then i went to work and then posted about it.
     
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    #153
    One can determine the character of a person I think by the language they use when they post.It would appear sir that you are morally bankrupt.And oh yes I too agree with The Webby 100%.
     
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  14. The Webby

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    #154
    Ahh, sorry about that..

    No, there is a difference. Religion makes an assumption, and then does not care whether the assumption is true or false. They assume again, that the assumption is true.
    When Science makes an assumption, we search for evidence that can either prove the assumption true or false.

    What we see is limited by technology of our time. Once we develop the technology that enables us to see beyond current limitations, we will know what happens at that level.

    Schrödinger's cat, right.
    My question is, do you understand what the experiment is all about?

    The thought experiment tries to point out flaws in Heisenberg's uncertainty principle. Without going into Heisenberg's principle (assuming you already know about it), Schrödinger's whole experiment is based on whether Atom has decayed or not. If atom had not decayed, the cat would be still alive. If it had decayed, the cat would be dead. We don't know for sure unless we open the box. Now anyone with enough knowledge of Quantum Mechanics would agree with the results of this experiment. But saying that cat is dead and alive at the same time is a paradox.

    The cat can't be dead and alive at the same time. The cat would either be dead OR alive at any given time. We do not know the state of the cat, unless we open the box.
    Now that's the difference between Observation and Measure.

    QM simplifies it with -
    Now we can not observe the cat unless we open the box, but Schrödinger's himself added a measurement device in the experiment [Geiger counter] and also added a observer of the result [cat].
    So whether the Atom is decayed or not can be measured through Geiger counter, and observed through the cat. Schrödinger's experiment does not prove that QM is wrong, it only justifies it.

    your analogy with number 2 is flawed. The real analogy would be if the number x was the number 2 then x+x = 4, but what if x is not the number 2? Then x+x != 4
    So the result of x+x depends whether or not we can observe and measure the value of x.

    When I get the chance to talk to Stephen Hawking, I will remember to ask him and let you know why he freaks out.

    I wonder, why people find it necessary to make shallow statements in argument?
    Tell you what Eric? Make people believe that God has spoken to you in your dreams, and be the next prophet.

    As I said, when science makes an assumption, it finds evidence that can either prove it right or wrong. You think it's diddly squat, because no offense mate, you do not even understand how science works.
    For science the concept/thoughts/theories/assumption is the start point to go further. Unlike religion there is no blind faith in science.

    Nope, not even by long shot. Quantum mechanics does not ask anyone to have a blind faith on some unseen, unheard, imaginary super being. QM is the way to observe and measure interaction between Mater and Energy. Things that we already know for sure but do not make sense. Things that make sense, but we do not know why or how.

    Again not even by long shot.
    Believe me when people make statements like -
    .... I love it, I really do, specially with that laughter, at the end...

    They think adding the laugh indicates that they have won the argument, there is nothing left to discuss.. Ignorance at the best, I'd say.

    How many times I have to say this?
    If we can not measure something today, doesn't mean we assume that it must be true or false, we being scientists (read: people with brains). We do speculate sometimes, we do make assumption some times, but we don't sit on our asses assuming that our assumption is true and there is no need to question it.

    We try to find evidence that can either prove it RIGHT or WRONG!

    God does not permit you to question his existence. Religion does not permit you to question all assumptions it makes. Science on the other hand, encourages the questions, it helps in finding the truth even faster.
     
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  15. PHPGator

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    #155
    That statement is fine with me. Everyone has their preference! Like mentioned above, there really is a basic truth found across several translations of the bible that are the roots of Christianity and don't waiver.

    I personally find the KJV to be hard to read. It's not that it isn't a good translation but the English language has changed so much since the time it was translated that some parts of the scripture become less clear. For that reason, when I'm speaking to teenagers or people who haven't spent much time in the bible, I almost always use the NIV. It has an easier readability and sits somewhere close to middle of the road in comparison to other translations in being word for word.

    If I wanted a more literal translation than the NIV, I also have an ESV which sits much closer to the NASB than many other versions but has a little bit more readability to it.
     
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  16. Spoiltdiva

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    #156
    The King James version is accurate.I base this on the discovery about 60 years ago of the ancient old testament scrolls found in the caves of Qumran in Isreal.The scrolls were translated and compared to the KJV and found to be 95% accurate.The 5% discrepancy was in regards to spelling of names of cities,people etc.
    The scrolls were written between 120-100 B.C.
     
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    #157
    Hopelessly delusional people frustrate me. Is God real? No, there's a very small chance that he could exist. Hypothetically speaking, if God is real, after deeply examining what I believe, I don't think I would want anything to do with him. The argument could be made (and is over and over) that if God created you then you have an obligation to serve him and submit to any kind of actions or punishments he sees fit to serve up, whether or not you feel it's moral for him to do so or not. This position implies that we're nothing but low-tech machines in comparison to God in his infinite power and glory. As if machines have awareness and the ability to suffer, as humans do. And when we do suffer, God does not even have the courtesy to speak to us or communicate to us in any way, accept of course by some lucid dream or hallucination. Thank you God, you've made me feel so loved! This is exactly what a loving God would do to his "children," treat them like nothing but machines with no heart and no feelings.

    If you truly scanned your beliefs and everything the Bible and religious teachers tell you with a fine tooth comb, would you still believe? And if you did, would it be out of fear? The fear of peers turning against you, the fear of being shunned by your own family(that of course, probably believe in and a loving, forgiving God.)

    Quit relying on crazy ideas to suffice for you spending your whole life dedicated to a God you've made up, like every other theist makes up. QUIT taking fudged answers to REAL questions! I'm so sick of seeing decent people trumping crap and wasting their lives on fantasies.

    You could say I'm angry at God or that I hide behind atheism because I don't want to face up that I'm going to hell. Or you could say I choose not to believe in a god or gods because I choose lifestyle over a god. All of this is just plain garbage. If you knew you were going to hell, wouldn't you acknowledge it? It would be like standing on a railway track and saying you don't believe in trains so you're not going to get hit. I'm not as delusional to think that believing or disbelieving changes reality. I believe in the closest thing to what I can understand is true. Second, when I last checked, Christians all have personal standards for their lifestyles. If I claimed that I disbelieved in God, yet deep down really believed it, then a wouldn't be an Atheist would I? To be totally honest, my lifestyle hasn't changed significantly in that aspect since I became a non-believer. I'm an non-believer because I don't believe, not because I'm "running away from God, like Jonah did." Please, that's such a worn out argument.

    I have family members who have said things so horrible about loved ones who have passed away and rejected the religious crap. I could hardy believe my own ears. My dad is a militant Christian and has alienated himself from family members who are atheists and have rejected God, or believe in a different religion. It makes me sad that my dad could separate himself from loved ones and become so arrogant due to something he can't prove.

    The more days that pass, the less I believe there's even a small probability that God could exist. If there was actual convincing evidence, I would be agnostic and keep searching for answers. But so far, the best theists can come up with is, "well you can't disprove God" and "take a look around you, every thing's obviously created." Kent Hovind, an alleged PHd and former science teacher, uses these arguments in his debates. As if they even hold water. And Kent Hovind is considered one of the smarter evangelists, converting Atheists to Christians and stumping everyone he debates. He claims to have won every debate in the years he's been running his ministry. Listen to a few of his debates on YouTube and you'll soon see, if he's stumping anyone, it's in his own mind.

    If things are as obvious as they seem, then the world is flat. Ohh but wait, we can prove that the world is round, no one disagrees because they would be laughed out of the human race. When it comes to whether or not God created the universe, which is just as unbelievable as the world being flat, there's a safety net of fear-based, Bible trumping believers to fall back on. What a difference it makes when fear is involved.

    I just want to say, I'm not mad at God, because he doesn't exist. I'm frustrated at how so many of you could still believe in something that has been refuted so many years ago. It frustrates me that you could shun your family members, tell people they're going to hell for not saying a little prayer, and have such a twisted sense of morality and so many screwed up beliefs. You take fiction for your guide to life and fudged "God did it" answers for important life questions. You turn from knowing, yet bash others for not having faith(believing in something for no logical reason.) If you want to waste your life believing in this nonsense, then I can't(I won't) stop you, you're free to go ahead and think the thoughts you want to think and to believe what you want to believe. I will not torture you, or kill you or start wars to cleans the world of those who think like you(as you might do to those you think like me.) Go ahead and waste your life being delusional, just don't ask me to do the same. In the mean time you might want to stop telling little kids Santa Claus and Peter Pan and the Little Mermaid don't exist and use the same arguments you use to "prove" God exists, like asking them to disprove a negative, making up stories as you go along, etc.
     
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    #158
    Children realize for themselves the characteures do not really exist but do not naturally disbelieve the universe they live in is not responsible for their lives.
     
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    Drawing by a 4 year old called Kelly

    Drawing by an 8 year old

    A sleeping pus

    Ripple in the water.

    Not difficult, I like this game... Please post more!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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