Not all sufferers are suffering because of their sins, read before commenting. Some people go through pain because God wants to test them, and some are going through pain so they could gain something from it, and sometimes the pain has nothing to do with God but someone else is responsible for it, and there are other unknown reasons for why God puts people through pain, he chose keep his reasons for His action to Himself. Just because you cannot comprehend what I'm telling does not mean you I'm wrong and you are right. She can reduce the chances of getting raped by e.g. putting on more clothing. It's an established fact that a woman with less clothing has more risk of getting raped.
Stop backtracking you coward. If you're going to say repulsive things at least have the guts to stick to them. You'd say that to a rape victim or a disabled child, would you? That they were raped because they deserved it and maybe they should wear more clothes? Or to a disabled child that it's good that they are in a wheelchair because it's inconvenient for their parents, who have more than likely not been obedient enough. Do you only realise how disgusting your views are once someone points it out and walks you through it? No it isn't, stop lying. Is this what you do? Just make shit up? MYTH: Provocative dress can cause a rape. FACT: Victims are chosen because of their vulnerability, not because they are sexually provocative. http://webs.wichita.edu/?u=police&p=/sexual_assault_folder/sexual_assault/ Rape has nothing to do with sex, arousal or passion, it's a violent crime committed by men who want to control women. Their vulnerability is what is what singles them out as a victim, not their attractiveness.
May Have? Did you say 'MAY HAVE"?? Wait, let me get my contact lenses clean and read your post again.. Yupp.. you did say "May Have".. So let me get this straight. You have absolutely no idea whether your God DOES have a good reason or any reason at all to make the child suffer for something that he didn't do and had no control over it, yet you are compelled to defend it? And it makes the child stronger? I don't know what rock do you live under, but in an incurable disease like Polio or Muscular Dystrophy, child suffers the endless pain [physical and/or mental] and in many cases DIES! It doesn't make him stronger, it makes his life pathetic and miserable. But your God must be loving it.. Yeah, the classic "No Pain, No Gain".. It's pretty obvious that you do not realize that it is a metaphor not meant to be taken literally. So do all those self harming religious lunatics. That's alright, Keep cutting yourself... Gain is in the pain. Slap yourself real hard, NOW! Again let me get this straight, you advocated cutting the hands of rioters in London. So If you steal something, its perfectly okay to cut the hands of your child, isn't it? At least now when you are advocating and defending retardation and lunacy, I can expect anything from you.. Whatever God does, you have no freaking clue about.. You are just compelled to follow and defend whatever garbage you have been fed since you early childhood. You have lost your ability to think independently. You can not address simple logical question when it comes to your belief, you ignore them, you avoid them or you reply with lunatic garbage. If you had the ability to think independently, you would have paused at the moment your were justifying your God's actions and asked yourself that what the heck you were doing. No of course, how can God be responsible. He is never responsible for any shit that happens here.. He is only responsible for all the good things. Shit just happen. And mostly it our own freaking fault. That's what they told you, didn't they? No shit, IsraeI.. Obviously no woman gets raped in Saudi Arabia, or Pakistan, or Iran or whatever Muslim country you wanna put there. And even if she does, its her own fault that she got raped, she just wasn't obedient enough in order to get God's protection. Let's stone her to death!!! You have acute reading disorder with a serious comprehension problem. Try reading slowly, one word by one word, it helps.. If I commit crime, I get thrown in jail. Not my new born baby.. I'm not a God, but I won't torture my children just to "test" them. I won't torture my children to make them stronger. I wont inject them with deadly virus so they can 'learn' their lesson and be more obedient. If my Son disobeys me or does something I don't like, I wont go and hurt my grand child in order to 'teach' my son a lesson. If a woman is getting raped in front of me, I won't just sit back and enjoy the show.. I am just a human, and I'm capable of doing what is right and telling what is not. If your God really exists, he does none of what I would do. Thus he is Merciless, pathetic, sadistic, torturous maniac, who loves torturing his children period. Few posts ago, I was giving good thought about your post while having chuckle.. Now I'm simply disgusted by your backward filthy sexist views.
The problem is that I have never said that a rape victim is at fault, all I said was that to reduce the chance of getting raped she should wear more clothing. About the disabled child, let's say this child cannot walk - you should know that God does not have to give you everything you want, including the ability to walk, you assume that God has to give you everything you want or else he is bad and not merciful. If the disabled child is going through pain because God chose to put him through pain, then what you must understand is that only God knows "why"..we can only say that any pain is because God wants to either punish you , test you or make you gain something through that pain. Then there are reasons for God's actions that we have no knowledge of, He kept this knowledge to Himself, just because he chose to not share this knowledge or make the reason of a particular action "obvious" does not mean this action is not reasonable or justifiable. Read this over and over again, you can make it. @Thewebby your latest post contains so many strawman attacks, so many assumptions and garbage I'm simply not going to bother reply to all of that text.
You said that she should "learn her lesson" and wear more clothes, What lesson could be learned if she wasn't at fault. Maybe you should think about what you're saying before typing it, it will save me having to pull you up on it and you having to humiliate yourself by backtracking. If i could, with no effort at all, alleviate the suffering of an innocent child but choose not to would that make me a merciful and good person? I put it to you it would make me a spiteful asshole, which is what it makes your god. How convenient. You realise that is the intellectual equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and running away, right? I think we all knew there would inevitably come a point when you play the god moves in mysterious ways card, it's such a cop out and indicative of how weak your position is. You're basically admitting that none of it makes any sense by saying that.
I know you wont reply, and I don't give a damn.. That's what religious people do when cornered, they slowly crawl back in their shells and pretend that everyone questioning their questionable filthy thoughts is at fault for questioning them. I've already realized that you have nothing but garbage to say.. And I'm not interested in your stinking garbage.. I have said what I had to say. It is there for everyone to see and judge...
Technically the woman is not to blame, but there are things she can do to minimize chances that she will get raped, therefore from the event of a rape, there are things she can learn albeit she was not to blame for the rape, only the rapist is to blame. Let's say your son suffers from not having hands, he was born with no hands, he suffers from this. God may have not given this child hands because He knows (as He can see the future) that he will use it to steal, kill and destroy, for this reason he has not given him hands. In this case not having hands is a blessing, because you are prevented from committing the sins, if he was given hands he would sin, and God would give him a severe punishment. So which is better: 1. No hands 2. or a severe Punishment ? Obviously no hands .. so having no hands is a blessing for this child, a mercy from God, therefore God is merciful.
@IsraeI Your last post proves to me at least that you have some serious perception issues and that most likely you are over medicated.I for one do not feel the need to disprove anything you have written.Your posts speak for themselves.Everyone can judge their merit,and they will.
The Garden by its very nature is a competition for survival, life and death. A spider that weaves a web to capture and devour its victim, or the raising of cattle to be eaten by Mankind have their own corollaries as both involve death of an innocence as the price for another's survival. The Splendor of Life is not without Violence or Injustice but does have a Persuasion, that of its Creator against "evil" and it is evil that may not progress further to reach the Everlasting.
So why should women "learn their lesson" from being raped if they aren't at fault? People "learn lessons" when they do something wrong, people who aren't at fault don't learn lessons from their actions, they're already doing it right. I'll ignore for the minute the blatant lie you told about women who wear skimpy clothes are more likely to be raped, we will get on to that though, i just need to find the statistics. I suggest you do the same, because you're going to need them. Wow, so now children born with disfigurements are inherently criminal and deserving of it for commit a crime in the future. By the way, if i ever see you say this filth to children i'll crack your fucking face open, just so you know. I have a better idea for this stupid pig shit brained god of yours... why not just make him not want to steal? It would save having to take this ludicrously contrived route of disfiguring children so that they later can't commit a crime, if they wanted to. Of course, this completely ignores the glaring fact that people with no hands can steal and thieves invariably go unpunished by your god, but let's not let thinking get in the way of you digging a hole of monumental proportions for yourself. Here's another question for you to gutlessly refuse to answer like an intellectual coward. If your child was raped and tortured, would you tell them that it is part of a plan that only god knows and will ultimately be a good thing and may stop them "sinning" in the future? Let's see just how repulsive we can get you to admit being.
Just to calm the spirits down a little bit........everyone is free to believe in whatever they want IT IS A FREE WORLD at least 60% of it
I said "She can learn a lesson" - the word "can" indicates a probability, I didn't say SHE WILL DEFINITELY LEARN A LESSON, what if the woman has taken all ways she possibly can to minimise the chances of being raped? In this case there's nothing for her to learn. E.g. - Let's say a woman was walking alone through a dark ally while drunk, she got raped, she takes the rapist to court, who gets the blame? The rapist gets the blame, not the woman, regardless of this woman's actions, whether she was drunk or naked or whatever, she simply doesn't get blamed for what the rapist did. But can the woman learn from this event? Yes, she can learn that by walking though a dark ally on her own while drunk, increases the chances of getting raped, because you are more vulnerable in this way, she is still not to blame for the RAPE, regardless of her actions. I'm also not saying that the rapist has a license to rape if the woman is makes herself an easy target, or that she is deserving of rape by making herself an easy target, I'm simply saying that something (s) can be learned from this event. Let's not forget that God is not responsible for the rape, the rapist is. Never said this (the bold text). First of all, this does not apply to all children, I never said all disabled children are like that because "God wants to prevent them from a future crime they will commit", there are other reasons why God creates a person disabled..this "may" be one of them. Secondly God did not take away or not give hands to him because he is ALREADY a criminal, but rather he will become one, and so God is preventing this child from becoming a thief. Did you also forget that stealing is taking away something from another person? Person A steals from Person B .. Person B has lost something. God is preventing Person B from incurring a loss, by taking away the ability of Person A to steal from Person B .. Person B is being done a favor.. If person A is an adult, he will also bear the consequences of the theft he committed, which is possibly revenge from Person B, jail, charges and the punishment of God also awaits him, so by God taking away the ability to steal from Person A, he is doing him a favour, because Person A wants to harm himself with his hands, God is simply taking away the ability for him to harm himself, surely that's a good thing. Also, I'm speculating that God takes away or withholds something from someone so as to prevent misuse of that something that would be given to the person, I'm not saying this is a fact as I'm not God and I can't tell you if this is what He is really doing, but I'm saying that this is a probability, and if this was the case, then it's not bad. The thief can steal or not steal, it's his choice, s/he has freewill. What you are suggesting is that God takes away the choice of doing "bad" ... in other words - turn us into sinless beings, doing only what is good, the reality is that God has created us in a way that we have the "choice" to do good or bad, that's what He chose, there's nothing you can do about that I'm afraid. He already created beings that don't do "bad", which are angels, we happen to be humans, that "can" do bad, it's a choice, and when you make the choice of doing something bad, it was your doing, not God's, so it's not God to blame, but the person is to blame, God is only giving you choice, He is not telling you to do bad. God is not responsible for a rape.
Man, what are you smoking? You're so deluted by your religious beliefs that you're incapable of even using simple logic. Are you not aware of the hundreds of conflicts your posts contain over the course of this thread? Ok what happened to "God is not responsible for a rape. " ??? And that's funny how you blew off stOx's question, again, by ignoring what he was really asking. Read statistics, you might learn something. stOx kindly posted it for you. So are child rape victems getting raped because they're dressed too provocatively? And what lessons to they learn by getting raped? Ohh...ohh...wait, I guess rape and abuse makes them stronger later on in life? Am I right? Or maybe these kids are being punished? Do you honestly think about these things before you post or are you copying it from some religious book or website? How the hell do you know this? Did you just make it up? ... oh right I forgot, it's common among thesits. Ok seriously, you just asked me to provide proof that God doesn't exist. Yet you spew statements full of lies, fluff and illogial reasoning at us (with no evidence might I add *wink* *wink*) and you expect us just to believe it? And then you say I'm full of pride for disbelieving something so completely crazy? Yeah, go ahead, say I'm full of pride. You're actually making yourself look bad. After all this crap you posted, don't talk to me about evidence. Chances are you wouldn't have a clue what to do with it if I had actual, tangible evidence.
He is not. Show me where I said He is. I never said that the dress code of the woman is always a factor, but it's a factor in some cases. There are multiple reasons why a rapist decides to rape, this is just one of them. Clinton - "So are child rape victems getting raped because they're dressed too provocatively?" Have I have said this? If we don't know "why" God did something, it necessitates that He kept this information to Himself, and not shared with us.
I'm telling you this one last time.. 1. God created universe, trust me. 2. He made human, trust me. 3. Human should be thankful for every good thing that happens to them, because God is responsible for every good thing, trust me. 4. For any bad thing, its your own fucking fault, God is not responsible for anything bad that happens to you, trust me. 5. If a child is born with no hands, it's good because God prevented him to be a potential thief. Don't ask me why the hell God gave hands to thieves and dicks to rapists, just trust me. 6. If you commit sin, God will punish your unborn child. That's a fair justice. The God justice, trust me. 7. If a woman gets raped, its her own fault because either a) She wasn't obedient enough to get God's protection. Or b) She was a slut, wore skimpy dresses. It was necessary for God to punish her. If these two cases were not valid for her, then it was for her own good, it would have made her stronger., trust me on that. 8. God may seem sadistic, but he cares for you. He may seem torturous, but it's for your own good. His actions may seem retarded, but they have a deeper meaning that you will never understand even if it was spelled out for you, trust me. 9. How do I know all these? I have no fucking idea. I just know, trust me. Any other questions? I have answers for all, trust me.
Why do you keep saying, "I never said this." ?? We're using your logic to show you how flawed it is, not your exact words. So what if you never said it? That's the point, that's why we're bring it up. You implied it with the line of reasoning you're using. I find the tactic of constantly saying "I never said this," a little petty and it's just used to avoid facing up to your own logical errors. You said, "If the disabled child is going through pain because God chose to put him through pain, then what you must understand is that only God knows 'why'". If God puts somene through pain, isn't he responsible? At least, that just makes sense to me. Isn't rape a form of pain? Or is God only responsible for certain kinds of pain not others(like rape)? Uhhgg :S There we go again. Theists have a great time sticking God in place of ignorance or the unknowen. Don't know the origin of the universe? They just put God in the gap. Don't know how that soccer ball got in the back yard? I dunno, I guess God did it. If we don't know something it's because God's not sharing it with us, or hasn't shared it with us yet. (yeah yeah, I know you didn't say it, I did) Haha Epic I love how theists just have a habit of making stuff up, whether in their brand of "holy book" or not.
Arguing with atheists is like... like.... a waste of time.. How can you uses my logic when I have none.. Why you insist that logic must be used in justifying God and his actions? It's God, for god's sake.. He doesn't care for your puny logic. He does things because he can. And I see, you have not read anything that I said, read them and you will never need to question God and his action. Just don't use your fucking logic. it has no place between us and God.
There's nothing wrong with what I said. The problem is that you assume that I imply things that I have not, you ask irrelevant questions, Stox at one point even misquoted me, and both Stox and TheWebby have done a wonderful job in twisting everything I said, which is leaving you confused. It's a smear campaign , they are trolls, particularly TheWebby who is drawing cartoons and attributing things to me that I have never said, for this reason I won't be answering more questions on this subject, it's a waste of time answering questions when the answers will be cut up and twisted by trolls.