Ice breaks Ice Melts Water Freezes again Ice Melts again Can we say, naturally occurring phenomena. This type of stuff happens in Wisconsin every year... Lake Freezes, water turns to ice... Ice Melts, ice breaks up, water magically re-appears... It's amazing. Also, it does not take 16 months to notice.
I am specifically addressing the scope, as brought up by Warwick Vincent, Laval University, and others: and Seems to me, the scope is aberrant. Tell you what, gents, I'll refrain from platitudes and insults, if we all agree to do the same and stick to specifics - deal?
Ok, if they are 90% smaller than when they were first discovered in 1906, what where they like before 1906? 100%, 120%, 2000%, smaller? larger? What? One hundred years of history for a hunk of ice on a planet that non-believers claim is 4.5 billion years old. Did it every occur to anyone that ice MELTS??? Perhaps this ice is left over from the last ice age and it is taking a friggin long time to melt? On an intellectual level if I had to compare this discussion and many like it here to hanging out with my 3 year old, I would say my 3 year old has this beat in terms of enlightening and intelligent conversation!
I am sincerely interested in the subject, and as many more folks (UCS - Kyoto Call, for one source) brighter than you or I will ever be have said -IT'S A PROBLEM, I would like to sincerely investigate what they are saying. A partial list of the mental midgets on board: Anatole Abragam, Physicist; Fmr. Member, Pontifical Academy of Sciences; France Carlos Aguirre President, Academy of Sciences, Bolivia Walter Alvarez Geologist, National Academy of Sciences, USA Viqar Uddin Ammad, Chemist, Pakistani & Third World Academies, Pakistan Claude Allegre, Geophysicist, Crafoord Prize, France Michael Alpers Epidemiologist, Inst. of Med. Research, Papua New Guinea Anne Anastasi, Psychologist, National Medal of Science, USA Philip Anderson, Nobel laureate, Physics; USA Christian Anfinsen, Nobel laureate, Chemistry; USA How Ghee Ang, Chemist, Third World Academy, Singapore Werner Arber, Nobel laureate, Medicine; Switzerland Mary Ellen Avery, Pediatrician, National Medal of Science, USA Julius Axelrod, Nobel laureate, Medicine; USA Michael Atiyah, Mathematician; President, Royal Society; Great Britain Howard Bachrach, Biochemist, National Medal of Science, USA John Backus, Computer Scientist, National Medal of Science, USA Achmad Baiquni, Physicist, Indonesian & Third World Academies, Indonesia David Baltimore, Nobel laureate, Medicine; USA H. A. Barker, Biochemist, National Medal of Science, USA Francisco J. Barrantes, Biophysicist, Third World Academy, Argentina David Bates, Physicist, Royal Irish Academy, Ireland Alan Battersby, Chemist, Wolf Prize in Chemistry, Great Britain Baruj Benacerraf, Nobel laureate, Medicine; USA Georg Bednorz, Nobel laureate, Physics; Switzerland Germot Bergold, Inst. Venezolano de Investigaciones Cientificas, Venezuela Sune Bergstrom, Nobel laureate, Medicine; Sweden Daniel Bes, Physicist, Argentinean & Third World Academies, Argentina Hans Bethe, Nobel laureate, Physics; USA Arthur Birch Chemist, Australian Academy of Science, Australia Michael Bishop, Nobel laureate, Medicine; USA Konrad Bloch, Nobel laureate, Medicine; USA Nicholaas Bloembergen, Nobel laureate, Physics; USA David Mervyn Blow, Wolf Prize in Chemistry, Great Britain Baruch Blumberg, Nobel laureate, Medicine; USA Bert Bolin, Meteorologist, Tyler Prize, Sweden Norman Borlaug, Agricultural Scientist, Nobel laureate, Peace; USA & Mexico Frederick Bormann, Forest Ecologist; Past President, Ecological Soc. of Amer.; USA Raoul Bott, Mathematician, National Medal of Science, USA Ronald Breslow, Chemist, National Medal of Science, USA Ricardo Bressani, Inst. of Nutrition, Guatemalan & Third World Academies, Guatemala Hermann Bruck, Astronomer, Pontifical Academy of Sciences, Great Britain Gerardo Budowski, Natural Resources, Univ. Para La Paz, Costa Rica E. Margaret Burbidge, Astronomer, National Medal of Science, USA Robert Burris, Biochemist, Wolf Prize in Agriculture, USA Glenn Burton, Geneticist, National Medal of Science, USA Adolph Butenandt, Nobel laureate, Chemistry; Fmr. President, Max Planck Inst.; Germany Sergio Cabrera, Biologist, Univ. de Chile, Chile Georges Charpak, Nobel laureate, Physics; France _Joseph Chatt, Wolf Prize in Chemistry, Great Britain Shiing-Shen Chern, Wolf Prize in Mathematics, China & USA Christopher Chetsanga, Biochemist, Affican & Third World Academies, Zimbabwe Morris Cohen, Engineering, National Medal of Science, USA Stanley Cohen, Nobel laureate, Medicine; USA Stanley N. Cohen, Geneticist, Wolf Prize in Medicine, USA Mildred Cohn, Biochemist, National Medal of Science, USA E. J. Corey, Nobel laureate, Chemistry, USA _John Cornforth, Nobel laureate, Chemistry; Great Britain Margaret Davis, Ecologist, National Academy of Sciences, USA _Luis D'Croz, Limnologist, Univ. de Panama, Panama Pierre-Gilles de Gennes, Nobel laureate, Physics; France _Johann Deisenhofer, Nobel laureate, Chemistry; Germany & USA Frederica de Laguna, Anthropologist, National Academy of Sciences, USA Paul-Yves Denis, Geographer, Academy of Sciences, Canada Pierre Deligne, Mathematician, Crafoord Prize, France Frank Dixon, Pathologist, Lasker Award, USA Johanna Dobereiner, Biologist, First Sec., Brazilian Academy of Sci.; Pontifical & Third World Academies, Brazil Joseph Doob, Mathematician, National Medal of Science, USA Renato Dulbecco, Nobel laureate, Medicine; USA Heneri Dzinotyiweyi, Mathematician, African & Third World Academies, Zimbabwe Manfred Eigen, Nobel laureate, Chemistry; Germany _Samuel Eilenberg, Wolf Prize in Mathematics, USA ... and so on, to over 1500 notable scientists, many of whom are Nobel Laureates. Now, if you wish to snidely dismiss their work without staying in the bounds of respectful debate, then there truly is nothing to discuss. Do you, Kalvin, my pal TBarr, etc., wish to stay with the facts, or continue to level platitudes? If you find this all too much, as I said, you are free to move on. I remain interested in a serious discussion.
A lot of people smarter than you or I also believe that the US orchestrated the 9/11 attacks... That does not mean it happened...
Here are some other problems from this link: Sounds more agenda driven. Than reality driven, doesnt it?
The earth was in it's perfect state in 1906. We have to allow abortion otherwise the population will skyrocket. Nobody has more babies than poor people and they can't afford an abortion.
Tell that to the extinct dinosaurs, neandrathols, and billions of other creatures that no longer exist
Tell that to people at the end of the industrial revolution which saw more pollution than we ever could possibly know today...
I should start using a [notserious] tag. [notserious] If the dinosaurs were perfect then in 1906 they would still exist. [/notserious] Why are people who supposedly study the history of the earth so freaked out when they discover it is not a static thing even today? Oh. I remember. In my acheology class we were taught that all the processes that happen now, happen as they have since the beginning. Apparently science doesn't believe in "catastrophe-ism." I think they would consider this a catastrophe and since catastrophes are supposedly not natural, we must panic and blame whatever scapegoat we can find. [notserious] If this were Nazi Germany, scientists would probably be blaming this on the Jews [/notserious]
The real question that needs to be asked is - is the earth getting fatter? (ie is it growing?) Ever watch a show on the discovery channel? Apparently, when you dig downwards, you find history (buildings, bones, weapons, etc). Seems to me, that at some point, all that stuff was lying on the surface wasn't it? Is the earth getting more dirt on it all the time to cause everything to be buried underneath it? If so, who keeps putting dirt on our planet? Why don't they keep their own dirt? Questions that demand answers!
Right foot. It shows it in your picture. In any case, a lot of things getting buried is due more to a change in location of dirt than more dirt accumulating. Such is the case of land that has been reclaimed from the sea in the last few hundred years by silt deposits. I actually rode through one of those silt-planes in Italy not to long ago.
You haven't had time?????????? Try not posting so much from one side without looking into the counter-point. My question again: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . You will agree that there are arguments against global warming, which ones are the best?
No, the right foot is a bull dozer Left foot is a cement mixer. I think the dump truck was one of the two torso pieces.
Those things should be electric vehicles so they don't burn diesel fuel. Let's get every body to use electric so we can burn coal, dam rivers, or use nukes and transfer the power inefficiently through power lines so it can move a few metric tons of dirt on a charge.