Global warming: is it a new religion or the new politics?

Hi all. I haven't seen a good discussion in the politics and religion forum that discusses global warming and so I thought I would start one up to see which side of the issue you fall on. As time goes by I see more religious and political leaders using the topic of global warming to advance their policies, so the science behind global warming is getting dragged more and more into agendas.

Do you think that this is a good thing in increasing awareness of the issue and examining how much people contribute to global warming (or if there are other issues happening) or is it a bad thing because groups are now using global warming to advance their own policies or private beliefs? For that matter I have seen critics of global warming say that it is becoming a "new religion" that people blindly accept as faith.

So how about it? With all the opinions that DP members have I think it would make for a very interesting debate to have.

 

It's not even a religion, it's a freako cult.

 

LOL good one ! ...

they would rate up there with the Moonies ... and just wait

the collection plate is coming around for all the public

and it won't be cheap and it won't be optional.

 

So no one believes that any of the data suggesting that humans have contributed to global warming? Not even a little bit?

For me I think that we are responsible but not entirely responsible. Still I think that moving towards alternative forms of energy would help reduce pollution and improve the environment for all people, so maybe erring on the side of caution would be the best thing to do.

 

Its not about politics or religion, its science. And the effects will strike us all regardless of our believe or which party we belong. A hurrican does not care about your believe or what your vote for. And so does the other stuff that could happen to the world population. The politicians should just come up with solutions for that, thats all.
If you think releasing 22 billion tons of Carbon from fossile energy into our atmosphere every year has no effect whatsoever you are just being ignorant. I mean thats sciencificly profed, and if you don't believe in science why are you using a computer or the internet? It must be some kind of voodoo for you then. I can understand if you don't like Al Gore or the liberals but thats not something they invented, the just using it for their purpose, like Bush uses a guy called "God" to make politics.
I think its really stupid and selffish from our generation to inherit such a mess to the next generation, our own children, just because we are too lazy to change something.

 

Usually global warming threads boil down to the global warming deniers saying

"Al gore is a hypcrite so global warming is fake"

or

"there was a big snow storm , therefore global warming is fake"

very rarely does it get beyond that

or they say its the sun, but solar intensity has been decreasing yet the planet keeps getting hotter

6 months ago to year ago the same people denied that there was any global warming, now that it been proven that in fact the earth is getting warmer they deny man could have anything to do with it.

Also becasue someone believes what the most of the scientific community believes, that does not make them a cultist.

Also not all scientists in the 70s thought there was an Ice Age coming a couple did and they got published in newsweek, there was no mass consenus like there is today on warming

I know its popular to say " Scientists where wrong in the 70s so they must be wrong ALL THE TIME!"

 

It's a new business industry for people who carry feelings of guilt, weakness and self-loathing.

For example, I heard a while back that Gore is involved with a business that actually sells global warming credits. The credits do absolutely nothing and are not regulated. Their only purpose? To make nutjobs feel better about using existing natural resources by making a donation Damn! Let me whip out some certificates! I'll gladly take guilt money from moonbats in exchange for a ficticious credit/certificate!

This is a bigger scam than alex jones suckering money out of young angry white males with low IQs for "secret access" to his site to prove "the man" is coming to get them.

 

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Like I said

 

The earth's atmosphere is definitely warming and sea levels are rising. There is no doubt.

What's in dispute is what man's role may be.

Initially, 'Global Warming' was seen as a fringe theory. Now it's accepted fact by the majority of scientists - it's accepted wisdom.

On the other hand we have those who say it would happen anyway because of solar activity.

Me? I think we have a combination of the two events going on.

 

Incorrect. Mine was much more detailed and accurate. Have you bought global warming credits because you have feelings of guilt and low self-esteem?

 

nah its still boils down to "global warming is fake becasue Al gore is a phony"

you should try to come up with some new material

 

And here I thought there was evidence against global warming! Thanks for straightening me out, ferret.

UN altering history to make humans more responsible:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/11/05/nosplit/nwarm05.xml

It stopped in 1998:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/11/05/nosplit/nwarm05.xml

A whole series on logical problems with global warming:
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=c6a32614-f906-4597-993d-f181196a6d71

To say that Gore lives with alarmism, doesn't even touch the surface. He claims the world will be destroyed in 10 years. The IPCC report (worst case scenario) says that oceans will rise like a foot in 100 years. This actually diminished the estimate from the previous report. So are humans effecting the planet less now?

global warming models flawed:
http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=15727

17,000 scientists who disagree with global warming predictions:
http://www.oism.org/oism/s32p31.htm

Didn't margaret thatcher start the global warming debate as a way to encourage people to invest in nuclear energy?

Little Ice Age. Medieval warming period. Need I say more?

I think gtech is right, this is more about guilt and needing a cause more than anything else. I think that global warming is generally anti-american, just makes people believe it that much more quickly.

If you talk with most people who believe in manmade global warming, they don't even consider any serious points, its an emotional argument. Facts are irrelevant.

 

Al bore has nothing to do with global warming (unless he invented it ) other than he's a big contributor to it (as well as a hypocite) according to his theory.

Global warming is a fact. The earths climate is cyclical. It heats up and cools down. Ice melts and then re-forms.

Humans have only been keeping records of the weather and temps around the world for what, maybe a hundred years? Is this really enough stastical data to make an informed decision on, seeing as how the earth is much, much older? We know there were ice ages, and there had to be warming periods to end the ice ages.

We, as humans, I believe give ourselves too much "credit" for being able to manipulate climate on a global scale. Sure we pump out "green house" gases, but so do all the aminales on the planet. Maybe we should ban cows since they release copious amounts of C2 by flatulation.

The largest green house gas is water vapor, which accounts for between 36% and 90% of the green house effect. Maybe Al bore should redeploy his efforts towards removing water from the planet

 

Carbon dioxide, the most evil greenhouse gas on the planet, accounts for 0.03% of the atmosphere. Governments are pushing to reduce carbon dioxide emissions by 3%, which would (I guess) make it 0.0291% of the atmosphere.

We are on to something here, I know it

 

Here let me see how much BS you have linked to

lets start with

ummm BS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Petition

I think the epa predicts from 4-12 feet in 100 years, but do you have a link to that info

the heartland institute is funded by exxon-mobile

um yeah like what is relevance?

I would say the opposite is true, most people who don't believe in man-amde global warming don't believe because they hate al gore

 

why? we are able to greatly raise temperatures around cities, we can create giant dead wastelands in the gulf of mexico, we were able to make the majority of the lakes and rivers in the northeast totally un-drinkable

we have greatly changed our envirment all over the earth but you think we take too much "credit"

 

Um. yeah. Like it means that the earth cooled and warmed before humans had the ability to effect it. Um. kind relevant, right?

As long as you say it. It's true

That's nice ferret. The "official report" from the IPCC says quite otherwise. Also, let's not forget the the super cool IPCC report was a summary produced before the full paper was actually completed - they were making conclusions before the report was finished. Does that sound a little biased, to you? It was also written and editted by beauocrats, some scientists had to sue to have their names removed from the report, but they were altering their conclusions.

And scientists who are for global warming are funded by governments and institutions who want to prove global warming is occuring. Does that not bother you? Or is it a one-sided offense, here?

Plus, its not even accurate:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heartland_Institute

 

has anyone ever said the earth did not warm and cool without man?

why mention the little ice, there was a big ice too, and at one point lizards where the dominant species on the planet

please provide a link

you think goverments want global warming? Why would anyone want that?

You actually think there is a global conspiracy of evil scientists making the whole thing up?

 

I would be more open to believing the predictions climate scientists are making with their "computer models" IF:

• Their "computer models" in 1975 hadn't been predicting a "New Ice Age Coming!" and...

• Their computer models could get next week's weather correct.

 

That's the impression they want to give. If they didn't, why is the UN trying to remove the medieval warming period?

You are lazy arent you ferret?

http://www.ipcc.ch/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPCC_Fourth_Assessment_Report

I've already provided this link. Maybe you should consider reading it this time? It is actually quite interesting.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/11/05/nosplit/nwarm05.xml

Go back and read the 13 part denier one too. Think about it for a while. I know you are trying to prove you are right, but try considering something else.

Oh I dunno. Why do governments always want to usurp power from the private sector?

NASA shocked the world by claiming the Sun causes warming. Knock me over with a feather

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/features.cfm?feature=1319

Mars, Jupiter and Pluto are also experiencing "global warming" according to NASA. Mars temperature rise is very much similar to ours. Coincidence?