Global Warming helps prevent Hurricanes...

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by d16man, Apr 18, 2007.

  1. ly2

    ly2 Notable Member

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    #21
    Answer me two questions and I will believe man is causing global warming. Just two little questions.

    1. Why are the icecaps on mars melting just like the caps on Earth?

    2. Why did all the previous ice ages(before industry/pollution) come and go?


    Now, answer those two questions without debunking your own idiotic belief that man is causing global warming and I will be a believer. ;)




    correct answers / liberal cheat sheet

    1. Because the sun is getting hotter and does not stay the same temp all the time.
    2. Because the sun got colder and eventually warmed up again.

    Heeeyyyy welcome back to reality!
     
    ly2, Apr 18, 2007 IP
  2. northpointaiki

    northpointaiki Guest

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    #22
    Again, without entering into the substantive debate, Ly2, sorry, but that's poor logic. Your claim goes like this:

    1. My cat died yesterday, of asphyxiation. His owner fed him shrimp panang, and the little dude has an allergy to both peanuts and shellfish.

    2. My neighbor's cat died today, of asphyxiation. He chomped a nylabone, whole.

    The cause of (1) must be false, by virtue of 2.

    -And this doesn't fly. Two like phenomena, if they exist, may have completely different causes. This does nothing to strengthen your claim.

    As to your second question, again, this doesn't address whether we, in fact, are causing this phenomenon - whether the entire reef structures, bleached and dead, are due to anthropogenic and exogenic causes.

    For example, entire species have died off in the past - countless times. If we, today, by hunting them to extinction, kill a given modern-day species off, the fact that previous species have become extinct doesn't negate the fact we caused this particular extinction, does it?

    I would agree with debunked - facts, arguing on the merit - these get us to something. Name calling, presumption of stupidity on the "other side," leads us nowhere.
     
    northpointaiki, Apr 18, 2007 IP
  3. debunked

    debunked Prominent Member

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    #23
    Most scientist agree there is a warming trend. But that is where the agreement between scientists ends. What the joke is when someone like al gore who has proven to have very little credibility goes around screaming one thing while being the biggest hypocrite of them all. He also uses many charts on his movie, which like any other static can be adjusted to make look like it agrees with you. In fact there is a video out there that shows how some of his charts are actually opposite of what he is saying they mean or he flat out leaves out the data behind the chart. The global warming thing is a political trend that puts pressure on those who don't agree with them. To me this is one of the tell-tale signs of the fraud, how they are trying to make everyone who disagrees out to be the fool.
     
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  4. Josh Inno

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    #24
    It's linked to in the OP of this thread but google apparently pulled the video.
     
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    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    #25
    All i have heard is that global warming is partially due to us human beings. I dont talk much on this subject because i havent studied it yet, but something tells me that i should start reading up on it. lol
     
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  6. northpointaiki

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    #26
    I appreciate your skepticism, debunked. I also feel the gravity of the situation warrants the attention. From a very limited perspective: I am a chef, for instance, who has seen, in my brief life in this industry, the effects of diminished seafood supplies across a host of species; it is a fact that reef structures are being wiped out, never to return, and this impacts upon the entire chain. Wines are moving further north, as vineyards along central and southern climes, formerly, expectant of cooling cycles, are now so hot as to wash out the grape quality. I don't think it is alarmist to expect to see Pinot Noir grow in the Baltics, away from Burgundy, within a statistically significant period of time.

    It comes down to whether it is man-made, or not. I have formed my conclusions. I agree with you that hypocrisy has no place in the debate. Personally, I think we consume more crap in this country than we will ever need. We consume it, we toss it, and buy another, without thinking of tomorrow.
     
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    debunked Prominent Member

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    #27
    Just so you know, I try to see both sides of all issues when I can. I am all for taking care of our environment, but I am not for stopping all use of our resources like some nor am I for stripping the earth like others. There is a balance and I guess it takes an extremist from one end to balance the extremist on the other if those in the middle aren't taking the proper action.

    The funny thing is people like al gore are either bi-polar or schizophrenic, he is the loudest against global warming via man made causes, yet he is probably one of the biggest contributor of carbon by one person! Maybe he should close his mouth and keep some of the CO2 inside!
     
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  8. northpointaiki

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    #28
    I appreciate what you are saying. The fact that we are both "talking" via machine and electrical energy means I, for one, am not returning to cooking over wood fires. So, the wolf of hypocrisy is ever at my door.

    I guess I fear that we as a species are doomed forever, to only act when there is no alternative; I fear, for instance, that the potential consequences of cloning in agriculture are not known, and won't be known, for some time to come. And yet we march blithely ahead. I find this a radical position, a radical irresponsibility. I fear the same may be for global warming. With the consequences as large as they are, I would rather err on the side of caution - higher energy costs, for instance - than not.
     
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  9. ly2

    ly2 Notable Member

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    #29
    Don't waste your time, take a long nap instead. :)

    In other words, you are unable to answer the questions without debunking the entire al gore lie.
     
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  10. ferret77

    ferret77 Heretic

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    #30


    Because Mars is not globally warming just regions of it are warming

    http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/10/global-warming-on-mars/


    Global warming is a fact, we have thermometers that show that the earth is getting warmer

    Al Gore is not scientist he is just politician

    [​IMG]

    Hurricanes hit other countries all the time, they hit all the countries in the caribean regularly They also occur in the pacific

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Pacific_hurricane_season

    Any other questions I can help you guys with

    Remember there are no stupid questions only stupid people
     
    ferret77, Apr 18, 2007 IP
  11. ferret77

    ferret77 Heretic

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    #31
    oh I missed ly2 other question

    Because the earth goes thru warming and cooling cycles without man

    but this does not mean that man can't help it along
     
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  12. ferret77

    ferret77 Heretic

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    #32
    Was this while the dinosaurs where the primary species?
     
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    #33
    Exactly what I was going to say. More major natural disasters have occured this century than any other I believe.

    Well, the great flood was major, but nobody knows if that's true (it's in the Bible).
     
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  14. ly2

    ly2 Notable Member

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    #34
    It also doesn't mean we are. Either way, there is no need to pee our pants and adopt everything Gore says. Gore is clearly an idiot. Anyone who sits there and talks to me about 'carbon footprints' while his annual powerbill was over $20,000 is a compete jerkoff.

    Kind of hard to prove or disprove. We didn't start keeping hardcore records till like 150 years ago.
     
    ly2, Apr 18, 2007 IP
  15. northpointaiki

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  16. ferret77

    ferret77 Heretic

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    #36
    ly2 did you graduate high school?
     
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    d16man Well-Known Member

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    #37
    Fresh off the presses: 2 articles, the first from a former NASA scientist and now a professor at UAB Huntsville. Guess what he says? Global warming not caused by man. hmm....
    http://www.al.com/news/huntsvilletimes/index.ssf?/base/news/1176974192195090.xml&coll=1

    Second Article: Scientists who dispute global warming say its hard to get heard....I wonder why? Maybe because they are NOT trying to make money of of Global Warming...
    http://www.reuters.com/articlePrint?articleId=USL1829984220070418
     
    d16man, Apr 19, 2007 IP
  18. CosmicRay

    CosmicRay Peon

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    #38

    You know Global Warming is a fraud when

    1. You learn that the electric car was banned and taken out of production
    by the biggest car manufacturers ... take a look here www.ev1.org

    2. Global Warming is YOUR fault and we now have to tax YOU for YOUR sins.
    Meanwhile, Exxon alone made the highest NET Profit in history last year at something
    over 40 Billion dollars ... more than the GNP of many countries. :rolleyes:

    3. Al Gore thinks he's Superman and he needs to save the world from doom,
    yet YOU have to pay for it. :rolleyes:

    [​IMG]
     
    CosmicRay, Apr 20, 2007 IP
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    #39
    Global warming might be true but evolution is just another word in the dictionary
     
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  20. ferret77

    ferret77 Heretic

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    #40
    just out of curosity but why would huge profits by oil companies make any believe global warming is fraud?

    Alos have you noticed if someone doesn't believe in global warming there seems to be a pretty good chance they don't believe in evolution
     
    ferret77, Apr 21, 2007 IP