German Interior Minister: Islam is part of our future

I wonder, if the German Interior Minister had said "Crime is part of our future" -- would the criminals have been so proud?

 

It's funny you mention that. Because with all this talk about fighting terrorist causing more terrorism, has anyone every thought to mention how locking up murderers and rapists has somehow spawned more rapists and murderers.

I suppose we should just stop locking these people up.

 

To my knowledge, there aren't institutionalized schools whose curriculum is solely designed to turn young children into murderers and rapists.

I think that until we ask, honestly, and openly, why kids are willing to blow themselves up in scores, and why mothers rationally feel this is a better alternative than the current lot, we will always be putting our finger in an increasingly perforated dike.

 

There's not much need for "asking", we have copies of the curriculum and we know what they are honestly and openly telling us.

The Infidels must fall before the people of Allah.

That's a solution I'm not willing to live with, so there's going to be a fight.

Westerners always look for a "more reasonable" answer, because they can't make themselves believe that other people in the world think differently than they do. They can't make themselves believe that anyone really believes in religion any more.

This is why Christian fundamentalists understand Islamic fundamentalists, while the liberal news media is trapped in complete confusion.

 

Will, I read your "fight post," and I must say, I bow in respect. I do what I can to avoid fights, but when no options are left, we are of like mind - when faced with a true battle, you commit wholly.

But the question is still begged, in my mind - forget the curriculum, the supply - why do kids take to it? Why does an entire people swallow it? If we can provide some kind of alternate future that tastes sweeter, might not the true shitheads propounding this crap wither?

I admit your edit - I am predisposed to believe that people are the same everywhere. I think wahabism and its variants merely provides a rationale for other more compelling, mutably material conditions on the ground.

 

It's just hellishly difficult to create a vision which beats out what martyrdom offers. You become an instant hero and you get an eternity of luxury and sexual gratification -- with no risks of screwing it up due to your own weakness.

Think about that -- it takes all of the risks out of going to heaven. Remember when the Catholic Church used to preach that you could go to hell if you didn't get the last rites? That's crazy. That's just too much risk. Some modern Christian sects believe that once you accept Jesus as your savior, nothing evil that you think or do can prevent you from going to heaven. That's low risk.

The Muslims tend to have a high-risk theology. You can screw up and fail to get into heaven -- unless you're a martyr. Then, all risk is magically washed away and you've got a straight shot into paradise.

Hell, it sounds like a good deal to me.

 

Hmm. Well put. You've got me thinking on this. It has been one of my longest held presumptions - that ideas/religion/you name it are only icing on the material drive underneath. But I need to look more deeply.

 

5/25 and counting.

- MENJ

 

And what evidence do you have to show that I am indeed a "terrorist supporter"?

- MENJ

 

Well I can be a nice person if people will stop calling me a terrorist and a terrorist supporter without any evidence apart from the fact that I am a Muslim.

- MENJ

 

That's easy. Defending known terrorist organizations like hezbollah and hamas by claiming they are not and legitimizing their terrorist activities. That's defending terrorists. That's support.

If you are ashamed of supporting terrorists, stop.

 

But that's not what's happening. You have admitted to supporting terrorists and the very ideas they support. If you are ashamed of being a terrorist supporter, stop. Otherwise, be proud of what you support.

 

"Terrorists" in your book maybe, not in mine.

And did I say that I supported Al-Qaeda and what they did?

- MENJ

 

So we agree, you support terrorists by denying they are terrorists. That's all we need to know.

I didn't mention al qaida.

Next?

 

Well the majority of Palestinians do not agree with your assessment, and neither do the majority of Lebanese. I am sure that they are all "terrorists" (and do note the sarcasm in the last sentence).

So Al-Qaeda are not terrorists to you? C'mon, be objective here!

- MENJ

 

You presumed I cared what the palestinian people thought about terrorism? That's like asking the owner of a donut shop if he likes donuts. The palestinians elected a terrorist group. That says a lot about how they feel about terrorists.

al qaida is not part of my comments. It's your red herring.

If you are ashamed of supporting terrorists, stop.

 

"Terrorists" participated in a democratic process? Sounds like an oxymoron here, doesn't it? What do they do by gaining votes, bomb the voters?

You asked for my condemnation of terrorists and you have it. I CONDEMN AL-QAEDA AND THEIR TERRORIST NETWORK. WITH ALL MY HEART, AND ALL MY SOUL AND THEY ARE INFIDELS. Get it now?

- MENJ

 

Bombing Israel would be more appropriate. However, they are fighting amongst themselves right now. I'm torn here. Do I root for hamas, or do I root for fatah? Choices choices! I hope they both fail.

Defending terrorist groups by denying they are terrorists is supporting them. If you are ashamed of supporting terrorists, stop. If not, be proud you support them. Surely allah wouldn't want you to be ashamed?

I have asked no such thing. This is a continuation of your red herring. al qaida is your current fascination, I've not mentioned them in tonight's exchange nor did I ask for a condemnation. Why would you deliberately lie in such a manner when all can clearly read and follow posts? It doesn't make sense that you would resort to this, unless you had nothing else to stand on.

Shameful...

 

Of course you do, because you support State Terrorism.

In my book I am not defending any "terrorist group".

Either you accept my...well, critical, evaluation of Al-Qaeda, or you do not. And by your own criteria, if you do not accept it, it means that you are a terrorist supporter.

- MENJ

 

Your book doesn't matter. They are terrorist groups and you support them. If you are ashamed, stop.

I have not called for such nor mentioned al qaida. You simply lied to make it an issue. Work on your credibility.