George Bush Supporting the Troops

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Briant, May 18, 2007.

  1. Toopac

    Toopac Peon

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  2. akula

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    #22
    What was your excuse for never serving again? Wart on your azz or something?
     
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  3. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #23
    What's your excuse? You seem to serve Iran and the enemies of our country. What happend to serving your country?
     
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  4. akula

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    #24
    10 years in the Navy and 3 working for the DOD under the Navy aviation developmental platform in Pax River Maryland. But then we have been over this before.......do you drink a lot because you seem to have a one track mind?

    And I have have probably spent more time and in more countries in the middle east than total time you spent in your small stint in the Army total. What was it 3 years?
     
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  5. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #25
    So this is the excuse you use to sell you country out and support Iran? What happened?
     
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  6. akula

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    #26
    You don't even know what your argument is anymore. You simply connect anybody that has a view different then your own to something or some group you don't like. As with the believe that preemptive wars on false claims are fundamentally wrong on a humanitarian level and an American level. You call those people terrorist sympathizers or conclude they must be Muslim with an anti-American agenda. If you speak out against the policies of Israel, you are an anti-Semite. And when you use an example of how the media manipulates the thought process of American people through half truths, lies and spin, as I did, you simply label me as someone who sold out their country and an Iran supporter. If by supporter you mean someone that is against seeing them turned into an ashtray of human remains because of a bad agenda being propagated by the neo-cons, then I guess I am guilty.

    You have been sold a bill of goods that you truly buy into. To defend that believe you must categorize and demonize those that have not bought into that believe. That is the reason that you pigeon hole everyone at every turn.
     
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  7. d16man

    d16man Well-Known Member

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    #27
    nope....bad eyes and flat feet...nothing I can do about the flat feet, even though I offered to have my eyes fixed. The difference here is at least I was willing to serve. If you would like, next time I am at my parents house I will be happy to get the rejection letter from the Air Force academy in colorado and post it if you like....it was my dream to go there, I applied, got a congressman to sponsor me and everything, and then got turned down.
     
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  8. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #28
    It was a simple question. I hope you didn't answer it because you were embarrassed. That means there is still hope. But you don't have to answer it if you don't want to. If it were me, and I were embarrassed, I'd attack you, and then make up a bunch of diversionary hogwash, like pretending to be asking questions and pretending to be critical (always and exclusively for the same points, of course) and how you are a victim because of such. Oh wait, you already did that! Nevermind :D
     
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  9. akula

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    #29
    Guess what flat feet do not keep you out of the military unless you want them to keep you out of the military. But I am figuring you know that but throw it out as an excuse anyways.

    My younger brother had many fainting spells when he was a child. This is an almost zero tolerance and never waived. He fought it and got himself into the air force academy. But he would never be a pilot right ? Wrong he could be flying jets right now (his dream) but instead he went army and is flight blackhawks. This all because of a girl. But the point is is military has rules and one try is always turned down. Two is most likely dismissed three is hardly trying. Chain of command thang.

    I know lots of people that I served with that had flat feet. Not a hard exemption to get. :rolleyes:
     
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  10. akula

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    #30
    Because it is a question trap and not really a question. Like "when did you stop raping children?" strawman......

    So when did you sell out your fellow Americans and become an Israeli puppet?

    Simple question...
     
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  11. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #31
    Ah, ok. So do you consider yourself pro-America or anti-America? Is that fair?
     
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  12. akula

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    That is easy I am pro-American.
     
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  13. N_F_S

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    #33
    not only him, but most of US ara against the war, are you still sure that you are informed? Where are the numbers of % who is against and who is for the war, why dont you post them like you did so many times before?
     
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    #34
    Being against the Iraq war doesn't make you anti-american, however i do notice a lot of anti-america people use that as an excuse;)
     
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    ferret77 Heretic

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    #35
    and being pro-war doesn't mean you are pro-American or a patriot

    its could mean you are pro-Israel or a pro-authoritarian who would be happy in fascist state

    or it could mean you own a lot of stocks in defense contractors and energy comapnies, who are both making tons of money because of the war
     
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    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #36
    and being anti-war and anti-American doesn't mean you are pro-American or a patriot

    BTW, 3% raise is pretty standard in the military. Of course, briant's never done anything for his country, so he wouldn't know that.

    Indeed Toopac. Usually this is encapsulated with phrases like "anyone who has a different opinion." Of course, their opinion is different, and it's almost universally one that also supports terrorists. They know it, but for some reason, are *just* ashamed enough, to not quite fully embrace it. For example, giving away terrorists credit to others (aid and comfort) by suggesting they were not responsible for their actions.

    Blame America First!
     
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  17. pingpong123

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    Like i said before many times im not anti-bush. Im against anyone that sends our troops into a war we never were supposed to be into. Saddam was put into power for a few reasons. anti-terrorism and oil. I have proven without a shadow of a doubt that he was never in league with al qaida as i have posted here many times. Their ideaologies are 100% opposites. Now im not anti bush because like i said before he is just doing as he is told.

    The establishment got him to power and they can take him down if hes not a good little boy. We need to get our soldiers out of there now. Unfortunately with how we handled iraq the only way the iraqis can have peace is with another dictator like saddam and it will be very brutal for a while.

    Look at iraq now and look at iraq pre gulf war 1. Tell me which is better?
    I have talked to many chaldeans in our area and they agree with me unfortunately. As far as Iran is concerned i think i have posted enough on my feelings about them. We and the british government are indirectly responsible for that regime being in power because of the fact that we meddled in their country in the 1950's. How do u think saddam came into power? We again meddled in iraq over oil rights. All it takes is a little reading. These countries were never a threat to us back then. The thing everyone needs to realize is that america wasnt the only one doing this back then. The soviet union also played these games with 3rd world developing countrie, but at least back then there was balance.
     
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  18. N_F_S

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    #38
    wonderful, what if we say:
    "being against any war, iraq, iran, afganistan, whatever else" ,

    "being against that US gives a sh*t what happens in ***** miles from them and blows everything there, having 3,500 troops dead vs much more casual native people of that place"

    does that not make you anti-american too ? It just noone wants a war with US, but in reality most think in their mind that US become wolves, as Putin said :) As long as it doesnt touch countries of G8 it will stay like that, but once it touches, who knows who will be on US side and who's not.
     
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    #39
    So, you do accept, that most of the world as you said "support terrorists" ?
     
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  20. earlpearl

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    #40
    Of reference, per freedom of information reports, approximately 120,000 contractors are in Iraq now, under the employ of contractors paid by the US government. Best estimates for contractor deaths is close to 1,000. Those figures come from insurance reports from the companies insuring the contractors.

    Nobody is willing to publicise this aspect of the war. Contractor personnel come from all over the world. As publicised Americans over there are being paid very high salaries. Foreign nationals, especially from 3rd world countries are being paid dramatically less.

    120,000 contractors and about 150-160,000 soldiers. The war, as it now stands could not be carried out without the contractors. In all prior wars these positions were handled by people in the service. but the existing all-volunteer army does not have the manpower to do so.

    It is a dramatically untold story. So as the initial 2 posts in this thread referenced contractors....people should be aware that contractors make up an enormous percentage of manpower in the war effort.

    I guess the questions have merit ....how much are soldiers making....and how does that compare with the money going to contractors and the amounts they are making.
     
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