I think I'm the only person I know personally or professionally that thought going into Iraq was a bad idea in the first place. People are way too nonchalant about putting our children in harms way. My real problem lies with all of the people that bash the war now, but were strangely silent or pro-war when it began - succumbing to the "you're either with us or against us" mentality. It's not just the media. The whole country was united under some disney-esque magical spell and as a whole we wanted nothing more than to kill terrorists. Its even more of a problem that our elected leaders chose to remain silent as well, but this whole discussion is for another thread. My point was that G.W. actually stood up and said "I take responsibility". You have to respect a man for doing that.
First under his presidency, the intelligence reports were ignored, so 3000 Americans died. Then He ignored all the experts and started a war that so far has got 2000 more Americans killed. In the same time, he re-organized the emergency response organization which resulted in total failure and getting more Americans killed in NO. Now, there is a war that nobody knows how to end or get out of, the country is going broke under the economic pressure of it and America is no safer from terrorists since Iraq has become a recruiting ground for them. Can you please tell us how could anyone do a worse job than this?
For starters I know that you would. You need to go find AC and if you don't know what I am talking about search for AnthonyCea.
MD, not a problem, and I know the feeling about the political discussions. Some will not back down on any 'side' even when totally wrong. I lay more in the middle. I hate Bush, but will give Bush credit for coming out and taking blame Most anti bush people will not, same as most hardcore bush supporters think his shit don't stink.
Come on now, it's easy to see why he's said this. He's just covering his arse, that's all. Personally, I like Bush.. he's up there, making him and his mates money.. flaunting it in their faces - Halliburton securing the contracts for reconstruction of New Orleans and such, pissing in Americans faces constantly, and Oh do they like the taste. He's just doing what him and his business associates do best.. can't blame him really, but you can blame the people voting him in. Bush ain't the 'thick' leader everyone likes to think, 'tis those who vote him in thinking he gives a fuck about them or their country, and not just himself, his pals and their interests. I find it all rather hilarious... GO BUSH! Pete
I really just don't get most of the republican agenda these days other then maybe paying less taxes, All the other BS issues they use to rope in poor people I disagree with 1) I think abortion should stay legal 2) I think all people should have equal rights, even gays. So I essentially think that people who want to deny gays partner rights , are unamerican. 3)I think church and state should be totally seperate, I think zero tax dollars should be spent of religious stuff. I definatly think no laws should be made from a religious doctrine. 4) Against the war in iraq, not becasue I like saddam, but becasue it didn't seem to justify the costs, and the outcome is still up in the air It seems like every point across the board I disagree with right wing Just out of curosity what do you normal people agree with Bush on?
Make that 100 points. Sometimes i think hes money hungry but other times i think his hearts in the right place, he just makes some stupid dicisions. I dont agree with most of things he has done but it is a big responcibilty running a country of that size and not everyone is going to agree on everything he does. Occasionaly he has to do things that will make him look bad. He has redeemed himself a little by accepting responcibilty though.
Good idea. I think outright murder should, too. It's the same thing. What would our founding fathers say? I agree that church and state should be separate. But we can't simply ignore religion altogether. That's what our country was founded on. We need to be "one nation under God" because "in God we trust." I don't agree with how everything was done, but doesn't everyone deserve to be free? Just my opinions. Take it for what it's worth.
Sorry not the same thing, I understand some believe it but it appears the vast majority of the nation does not. I agree with you on this one, according to the original draft of the constitution and the intent it was not 'for all' even though that's how it usually is read now. I however in this one case usually prefer all being equal about the only thing I do sway on what the constitution does say. This one I agree but disagree with at the same time. While I agree you can't have complete seperation these terms are not originally part of the US officially, or noway I have ever read that I can currently remember, I could be wrong though. Um yes, but we now support the very same people in Iraq that according to most experts I have heard talk or read articles on, etc were or are the very same terrorists who would want to attack us at home. There are of course the seperate terrorists and insurgents working now, but I fear what will happen when we are out of there and those that are currently on our side to gain power will no longer need to bend over for us. There are also many other countries that could be 'freed' it is also not up to us to put our beliefs on how people live, still doesn't appear they trully want to be 'free' just by reading drafts of what they want in their constitution and how they wish to run their government. Freeing was not also the reason we were sold on to go there.
Then so is eating beef and stepping on ants and euthenasia for dogs. get a grip man. What about in cases of incest and rape, is it okay then, what if having the baby will kill the mother, is it still wrong for her to terminate? That we should have the freedom to choose for ourselves. Whose god? The christian god, the pagan gods, allah?!?!?! You cannot generalize the term, we are a country of freedom of religion, you cannot lump everyone's god into the same pool and say 1 nation under god and allow the integration of church and state based on that premise. If I cannot practice Lughnasadh or my friend cannot practice Ramadan or my sister cannot practice Yom Kippur, what makes Christianity so special that they can practice Easter or Christmas in school? This country is rife with double standards when it comes to religion. This is the type of narrow minded vision our founding fathers tried to stand apart from. Yes, everyone does deserve freedom, everyone deserves to live their lives and determine how they will carve out their existance, but, saying abortion is murder, don't you take away a woman's freedom to choose?
We're talking about people here. HUMAN BEINGS. Sure, abortion is fine when the mother's life is at stake. I'm talking about the ones who abort just because they don't want to have a baby. Every choice has a consequence, and having a baby when you don't want one is a consequence of making a stupid choice.
Couldn't that be changed around and actually work better for those who actually go through with having the baby instead of making the choice not to? hence abortion Getting pregnant I think is what you meant, not having a baby. How about those who are on birth control but the birth control fails? Where do you draw the line exactly?
If there was an easy line to draw abortion would be illegal all around the globe, but there isn't. When I was young and ideallistic, I thought that a woman's right to choose was such a basic right that there should be no questioning of it. Now that I've had a child, that I've witnessed the miracle of birth things are different. Also, one of my links below is for a 3d ultrasound center. Here's an example picture from a 3d ultrasound: http://www.ovenbuns.com/3dims/micah/images/MICAH_20.jpg . I just pulled this one at random - the baby looks to be somewhere around 29-34 weeks old at the time of the image. I've seen countless #s of these scans live - some as early as 16 weeks and you can see activity, smiles, tongues sticking out, kicking around, all kinds of things. Seeing that kind of a thing really changes your perspective. I've also seen some of the darker things - women desperate for a gender determination before their abortion deadline - which I always turned away. I'm not about to give some poor baby a death sentence because my technician thinks its a girl. Those women always gave me the creeps. Yes there are a thousand situations where an abortion seems like "the right thing to do" or the woman should at least be given a choice. But from my perspective, and seeing what I've seen, abortion is absolutely murder. Where do you draw the line? Should it be earlier in the pregnancy? Is a morning after pill ok? I don't know. I personally think the line should be moved from where it is today - and that is a far cry from where I typically stand politically. It's moreso a societal issue than a political or legal one IMO. and yet again, this thread takes a hard right turn...
nevetS, I agree in some instances and disagree in others, abortion is just one of those things people disagree on. I don't believe in late term abortion. But I am a firm believer in the incest, rape, or mothers death thing. Women should be able to choose, whats worse, an early term abortion or an unwanted child who is neglected by their parents? It's a tough call and you are right, after seeing the miracle of life twice with my own eyes I can understand where you are coming from. But, Jane Doe's right to choose is really none of my business, I can only control what happens to me and mine and not some lady in Rhode Island or Los Angeles who doesn't want to or cannot deal with having the child. I do not believe it to be a form of birth control however!!!!