Born to be unable to have children because of a disease or health problem, are you saying being gay is a disease or health problem? To adopt just to have a family no I do not think they should be allowed to, think I've stated that before.
What does it matter whether they physically can or can't have children? As long as they are loving and supportive parents, does it make a difference? When I was younger, I was told I might not be able to have kids and I was never so heartbroken in my life. Now that I do have a daughter and am pregnant with a son, it makes me realize even more how much I would have missed out on if my doctor was right. I can't imagine why two loving people should be unable to adopt or use surrogacy because their anatomy prevents them from doing so. Imagine their heartache - not as two gay people but as two human beings.
Well I wasn't born with the body of a basketball player, I'm pretty heartbroken about that but I've chosen to accept it. Health problems not being able to have children versus being gay are full out apples and oranges unless you same people are going to state being gay is a health problem or disease?
Well maybe not a disease, its just genetic trait so by this logic single people shouldn't be able to adopt either? A single person can't have kids right? like this
In my personal opinion yes. Children come from a male and a female of which in my opinion is where any right that was originally brought up is. It does not all of a sudden give a right to a gay person who can not have a child nor a single person. I am not saying a gay couple could not make a better family, they very well could than many straight married people, both financially and emotionally. I however am able to make a clear distinction from a right and what is not a right. Something many on here obviously can not do.
Yeah but why deny anyone any right ever? If people want to do something, and it doesn't directly hurt someone else, what is the reason to deny them?
Especially when the evidence presented in this thread shows it doesn't hurt the childs development whatsoever (In fact it helps them in some ways)
Where is this so called right that they deserve it? Show me this and I will have no argument, I DO NOT see children as a right though, that makes them sound like property of which they are not! My opinions are not always based off of what's best for any one group I will admit that. For example even if lets say banning all guns in the US would bring down the murder rate 'of which I don't believe it would' I still would not be on the side of banning all guns simply for the bettering of society, as gun ownership in the US is a right. Show me where gays have a right and I might agree with all on this one, but to simply say the child could be better off does not show me why gays have a right to have children in anyway shape or form. Personally I'd think gay people should be proud to be gay and all that comes with that, in order to trully be proud of being gay that = not being able to have children by common biology does it not?
I just can't fathom how what anybody does in their bedroom can be grounds for taking away any right that they should legally have. I think some straight people do some truly perverted stuff with whips and chains behind their closed doors that really makes me wonder about what's going on in their head, but they can still have kids.
Again how is having children a right? I actually do agree with you to an extent. Lets say a guy has a child with his g/f or wife. The g/f or wife dies, he then comes out as being gay and raises the child in a gay environment I would support this couple to do so. This is a totally different story than being gay and thinking you somehow have a right to children.
Where is the right given out? I am not anti gay, I will admit it many cases a gay couple can be better than a straight couple, however to gloss over it and say there is no risk of 'harm' to the child at all is absolutely hogwash. BTW I've missed your answer to many items so far, choose to pick only certain ones do you? Not to forget children makes for a totally different scenario than common drugs, odd sex, etc. They are fricken human beings and not 'property'.
I don't think having children was a right until people decided they wanted to prevent gay people from having them. But when I was in the hospital after I had my daughter, I saw mothers in the ward with me that I would have rather seen their babies go to a loving gay couple than go home with them. So if children do end up being a 'right' (which doesn't sound good, I agree) then that right should be taken away from crackhead mothers and abusive parents first.
I agree with you on the bold part, and if there was no straight couple willing to take the children in I would more than likely support a gay couple to take them in. I am not fully anti gay on this, I simply do not see how they have a right to adopt children, lets face it they being gay again = them not being able to have children and it's not a health defect it's who they are.
I just try to look at it very open-mindedly. What if I was subjected to criticism and having my legal rights taken away because of a personal lifestyle that really doesn't effect anyone else? I think there are far more important things that the government should be worrying about today than who should or shouldn't be married and who should or shouldn't have kids because they might be picked on in school.
Like I said before hrbl's argument (or mine for that matter) doesn't count for anything. Last time I heard, being gay didn't meant your reproductive organs suddenly disappeared. There are such things as sperm donors and surrogate mothers. If they really want to have a child, then they can....and in the this case one person in the couple would be a biological parent.
I've been thinking long and hard about lesbians and after reading all of the information about the positive things that occur when 2 lesbians raise children versus the positive things that occur when a child is raised by a man and a woman I've come up with what might be the perfect solution. One man and two women marriage. With this arrangement everyone will get the best of both worlds. Just to let you guys know a was in a relationship like this in college for a little bit and I can say from personal experience everyone was very happy. Their were no children involved though.