Gas Prices and Prez Approval #'s

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Henny, Apr 19, 2006.

  1. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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  2. Mr Crow

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    #42
    These Are NOT the same - and as you see I didnt mention the name!


    well I am not trying to sell these pills by any means , they were a gift from a good friend .... but I will tell you I did check them out ... and have seen the results and reports from the US govt

    But I have just tried the this week - I will let you know how they work and the stats ... but I dont and wont be selling them as I personally dont like the man who holds the license on the product - he is very big headed
     
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    debunked Prominent Member

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    #43
    I will let you know what I find on the pills I am using. It will be nice having a couple of testimonials good or bad from real customers not from the guys selling it.

    I want to get one of the hydro-gens, I think it would be a cool add-on that would work. I have played with hydrogen before, and have done experiments on electrolysis to break the hydrogen from water which is possible, just doing it efficiently is the key.
     
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  4. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    debunked I have some sand I will sell you - I promise if you load up 100lbs into your trunk you'll get a 60% increase in gas mileage! :rolleyes:
     
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  5. meamrussian

    meamrussian Active Member

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    Are you kidding? You and a lot of other people probably don't know that the prices aren't going up because of Bush or the gas companies, it's because of the Arabs that make these prices higher... it's them that's trying to break down the economy...

    If he sets a cap on the prices (which would be retarded), the gas companies are screwed because their profit margins are VERY thin. They just make the gas price a bit higher than what they buy the gas for so they can make some money. Make a limit and they have no business. And spending a lot of money on other places? Bush has already placed millions and millions of dollars into research centers to try to make gas use more efficient. It's Clinton that didn't take action in the proper time. If he had done something about it right away, the prices wouldn't be like this. What he did claim to do was donate $10 million to gas companies, and that's it. $10 million in the gasonline business is like finding a penny in the street.

    Anyway, Bush is doing what he can, but if you want to blame someone, it's definately the Arab countries that are trying to ruin the U.S.

    Peace.
     
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  6. Mr Crow

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    SO the president releasing the oil from our oil reserves would not help - or taking awat the tax ... or giving the refineries a subsidy ... your a saying the prez can do nothing?

    Shalom to you also
     
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  7. meamrussian

    meamrussian Active Member

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    Alaska has oil... but a lot of it isn't allowed to be "harvested". Something about the area I think? And I agree with you, taxes are a problem these days, not only for gas, but that's a whole different topic. And I just said that the president DID do something, so no, I'm not saying the president can do nothing.

    Shalom right back at ya :)
     
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  8. Mr Crow

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    I guess I am thinking more on the lines of the Moms and Dads out there that are truely doing the best they can to just keep a home and food on the table.

    We tend to forget what a luxury we have just having a computer and internet to be able to share opinions.

    I know personally through experiance as a child what it was like to grow up in a home filled with love , but stretched to the limits finacially.
    I had my father killed at 6 years old and my mother struggled hard to keep our family from the streets....

    About 8 weeks ago they cut subsidies to families with jobs and to single parents... also child care for single parents too.. when you add things like these gas prices it becomes very hard.

    I dont blame Bush for all our problems , but I do get upset when he is subsidizing (spelling) things for other countries such as Iraq .. because it seems his focus is on Iraq and not our economy and our people.

    Walmart is a prime example - today in the news it reported that walmart is under fire for its labor practices... so what did they do ... they hired all George Bushes former campaign people to fight the bad PR and to lobby for them.

    I just would like to see america strong - under NO political reasoning but just because its good for americans , whether its Bush Clinton, Kennedy , Kerry or any other politician - Americans need help too - we have a huge percent of people living at poverty levels and gas climbing towards 4 dollars a gallon only sends them farther into desperation
     
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  9. meamrussian

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    I'm sorry about your father :( I'd HATE for that to happen to me. I love my family very much. I do, however, know what it is like to be in a VERY poor financial situation. And I completely agree with you; having internet, cable, and all this fine stuff is a HUGE luxury, and I am very grateful for it and thank god for it.

    However, I guess it's hard to get on everyone's good side. Bush is trying his hardest to keep america at hand. He work on Iraq, and media puts that on the news every day, so it seems he isn't focusing on other duties. If he focuses only on gas prices and other things in our economy, people would get upset he's not doing anything in Iraq. It really is a difficult job to be president. I do think he's fit for the job, and that he knows what he's doing a lot of the time (note, not all of the time; he does make mistakes). He just doesn't have the power to tell the Arabs what to do. Gas prices are basically under the Arabs' control, whether Bush and America like it or not.
     
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  10. latehorn

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    I agree, it's a hard task to be a president.
     
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    I sort of agree with you on gas prices, but it really isn't the arabs setting the prices but they are "scaring" our investors here in America, causing the prices to skyrocket. Those who are in control of the oil are bad mouthing america or making threats, etc... worrying the investors to push the futures up (rightly so from the information they see, they are there to make money not care about others)

    I don't doubt that our gas companies are gouging and raking in the bucks too.

    I just don't see the blame going on any one person, but the president does have the responsibility to the people either way. He should be and I believe is working on finding ways to alliviate the problem without total gov't intervention. Who here wants the gov't hands in everything, since that only increases the costs in the long run.
     
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  12. Mr Crow

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    Well said I guess thats about the real sum of it all...

    It does seem though that he (bush) has turned a blind eye to the current economy on many fronts in america and unfortunately the rich have gotten richer and the working middle class is getting hit hard.
     
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  13. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #53
    From a recent economy thread:

    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=72889

    http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0411/p01s02-usec.html

     
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  14. Mr Crow

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  15. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #55
    You are probably thinking of the Labor Department Spokesperson on CNN last month repeating "two all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions on a sesame seed bun" when asked about the economy!

    Ever heard of BDS? :D
     
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  16. Mr Crow

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    #56
    ME LIKE SHADEGG [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

    Shadegg Offers Real Help on Gas Prices

    Reducing Ethanol Tax Would Offer Immediate Relief

    Washington - The law of unintended consequences is the one law Congress never fails to pass, and one of the consequences is the higher gasoline prices we face today. But Congress can bring down prices by cutting the tax on imported ethanol.

    "This is a straightforward measure that will bring immediate relief to Americans facing $3-per-gallon gasoline prices," said U.S. Congressman John Shadegg, who today introduced the Ethanol Tax Relief Act. "With the gasoline additive MBTE being phased out, almost every gallon of gasoline sold in the United States is going to require ethanol. But right now our domestic ethanol supply is inadequate to meet this increased demand. As the cost of ethanol rises, so do gasoline prices. The answer is to temporarily suspend the tariff on imported ethanol."

    MBTE is used as a fuel oxygenate to reduce air pollution. It currently constitutes 1.4 percent of the U.S. gasoline supply, but Congress' failure to pass MBTE liability protection last year means that MBTE producers are getting out of the business as rapidly as possible.

    "Democrats in Washington are suggesting we raise taxes on energy companies - but that is exactly the wrong thing to do," Shadegg said.

    The only remaining approved oxygenate is ethanol. In an effort to protect our domestic ethanol industry, the U.S. levies a tariff of 2.5 percent and a 54-cent per gallon duty on imported ethanol. For the time being, however, the domestic ethanol supply is simply inadequate. The result is higher gasoline prices. Rep. Shadegg's bill would suspend the taxes on imported ethanol until January 1, 2007, increasing supply and lowering prices.

    "The U.S. ethanol supply will catch up to demand soon," Shadegg said. "But American families need help now."

    Hey, Republicans--it's not that hard....you do can avoid demagoguing at the pump.
     
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  17. Rick_Michael

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    Well, the history of the oil in America was...we were the top dogs. We had the most in the world at one point. Then we slowly started to drill less, because of many things.

    From the 30-60's, Mexico and the middle east nationalized all the oil industries that were once under the ownership of American/British/French corporations.

    Politics in this era changed dramatically, once the nationalization occurred.

    Petro started to get a lot cheaper to import, because it was being produced in overwhelming amounts from the middle east and mexico. Along with lobbyist in America via oil corporation and enviromentalists, our congress was convinced in not drilling as much in America or in other words, 'we must preserve our enviroment'. Remember the average americans don't have enough money to lobby against drilling, this was done in conjuction with the oil companies and the enviromentalists.

    Many Americans don't realize that a bulk of our refineries and oil retailers are owned by outsiders. Hugo Chavez own refineries and a whole oil retailer in America. I'm quite sure that the middle east owns quite a bit in stock in oil companies; and I'm sure that doesn't go without it's influences.


    Frankly, I think the nationalizing of the oil industry abroad has been the eventual downfall of America...in that we'll let anyone invest or own things in America (with very few exceptions). But we get punked into bending-over and taking it from foreign governments. So we could obviously still have been on the top or near it, if we didn't stop drilling...it was a shift in power that our leaders of the past failed to act on, and our current leaders easily get swayed.

    I'm not going to just target any party or person....many people are guilty.
     
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    #58
    Biodiesel, ethanol, coal,....all of them will slowly come-in if the oil prices stay high.

    Cold fusion would be nice. Hot fusion may be on it's way...in 20 years or so. They plan to produce a factory in France I believe...that's if France is still a country anymore.
     
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