Gaddafi is dead. Libya has been freed!

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Bushranger, Mar 29, 2011.

  1. ApocalypseXL

    ApocalypseXL Notable Member

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    #61
    Since lies and threats don't work Justin's new plan is to bore us to death .
     
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  2. Laceygirl

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    #62
    What's your plan. To be 14yrs old and try to mess around with internet business? Get to bed.
     
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    #63
    Or maybe you are justin pretending to be lacey. No offense but the odds of this are much higher than the situations you posted above.
     
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  4. Breeze Wood

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    #64
    The charade eclipsed with the allegations of Identity theft by Helviti centered on the Avatar that is presently, still being displayed....aparently a tempest in a tea pot.

    r does seem to hold the upper hand?
     
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  5. Laceygirl

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    #65
    Maybe, of course since there were 40 people trying to find out before you may find it odd that only a couple remain now? Could it be that they found the proof of identity that I released awhile because a bunch of clowns were doing the same thing.......not before we dragged it out for 6 months.
    Yes, I can freely prove my identity anytime, but really there is no point. It will not help. Last time I did it on a $800 bet. I took the money and 1/2 of the idiots just said I paid off some girl to make the video........so what's the point.
    This really isn't about proof. This isn't what people like ApocalyseXL are about. They are single, lonely, and bored online so they target someone and the one who bites back. They get bitter and then have an enemy and pester on.
    Proof is the last thing you all want. It would end what you got going on.

    I guess it'll be just as much as a mystery as when I think about how.....hmmm, 20 of you care so much when you don't know me? People like Rob and ApocalyseXL clearly make it a solid mission to use the word "justin" "Him" and "Man" in every.....single post they make when I am around.
    No, it actually started before that. It started when Hilvetti found out that I am a direct competitor and then there was allegations of identity theft
     
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  6. robjones

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    #66
    Hate to burst your bubble kid, but you aren't "a mystery". Before you had the name changed you went by gravetzt or some such and clearly identified yourself as Justin for a long time in your whiny ass rants about how girls at the factory you work in have it easier. Then you changed the name of your account to laceygirl, adopted a female avatar, and started using the word sexist a lot.

    If we accept the posts as truthful... You have a shared account. No mystery. Joke, yes, but no mystery.

    Truthfully I don't think youre in violation of policy cause I dont think anyone but Justin is posting from the account. You can thank me later for clearing your name so you don't get booted. Can't have it both ways though... Either you have a shared account or you're a sad little guy hiding behind a girls name.

    Added- btw... In case you forgot, you already admitted in a post to Shawn that the bit about helvetti being a harassing competitor was (and these are your own words)... "a snowball of BS" you made up. Feel free to refresh your memory. http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=2032817#post15466548
     
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    #67
    Helvetii does not earn from what you are earning. His method is from adsense and is different. Check his sig where he sells his method. And even if he is your competitor he won't just recklessly post your personal info for that. Anyway rob rightly said there is no mystery.
     
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  8. Laceygirl

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    #68
    Oh, you Mean decor Cabinets. Ok, somebody makes a topic to talk about something 3yrs ago and now you call that whiny ass rants to try to offend me or something. I worked at decor cabinets AND my husband worked there too. 60% of all people in my town have worked at Decor Cabinets. Do your research since your so interested.
    I think I only said it 3 times at this forum for 2yrs. Of course I may be wrong. I am a little cold, shallow, self-centered, and mean so its possible you are correct as well.
    Ha, I guess you can't trust me. I'm just as dishonest to you.

    Rob, if you want to be a role model as a highly respected Moderator at V7N then you would follow the path of Cricket. I did tell her the R-E-A-L truth about what happened months before all of this stuff went down and she did what I expect you should do. She didn't care and forgot about it a moment later. But instead you are just being a nice respectable person at V7N, but a total ass here.
    Yep, he's a thief and a waste of human being, guess we're not competitors afterall.

    Edit: so.....you guys want to go on arguing forever?
     
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  9. ApocalypseXL

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  10. Laceygirl

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    #70
    You are like the Candyman. I mention your name and you come(of course you don't have a hook because you are some single internet geek hiding in your mothers' basement, but meh).

    That topic is from 2007. The information is...outdated. And you are not proving anything, you are just yabbering and repeating the same stupid, tired, junk that others have said.
    I didn't ignore your pms. I have you blocked, Here, I'll unblock you and you can tell me what you want, I'll be waiting.
    Before I do your favor, do me a favor. Go to lenscraft or where ever, buy the best designer glasses you can think of then go and try to convince everyone how awesome it makes you look.
     
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    #71
    Doubt it highly. You asked for a namechange there, but chances you have ever told the real truth to anyone are pretty slim. Unlikely she knew details of your drama until I mentioned you PM'd me there with a link to where you drug my name into your soap opera in the DP Feedback forum. Until you PMd me there even I didn't have any contact with you save a single post trying to douse a flamewar in a DP thread.

    If you'd quit dragging others names into your whale-tales you'd have less grief. For someone who lies frequently you aren't very good at it.
     
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  12. Laceygirl

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    #72
    I just asked you to wipe me from V7N. I got my reasons. I didn't want your stupid opinions on the matter, heck I still don't want your stupid opinions on the matter but since we're online there's always going to be people who point a finger left, right, and center. Worry about your own life, Mr. Perfect.
     
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    #73
    For future reference:
    If you DON'Twant someones input, dont drop their name in a thread they arent in, then hunt them down in another forum to send 'em a link to the thread.

    Just sayin....
     
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  14. Laceygirl

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    #74
    That's good advice. I should have not done that.

    In my perfect world it would be nice to part ways and never directly talk to each other again.
     
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    #75
    Well, I didnt know you were even back until you sent me a signed red rep, and I still ignored you until you addressed me with a smartass comment in this thread. If you want to achieve that perfect world where I don't talk to you... first step is to quit poking at the hornets nest to see if they'll come out and play.
     
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  16. Laceygirl

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    #76
    Ok, So in other words we both agree. Ok, Pleasant life to you.
     
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    #77
    The latest BBC interview with Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, situated in a fancy restaurant on the Mediterranean, was painful to watch. Clearly delusional and blaming drug-addled youth and al-Qaeda for the ongoing revolution in his country (which he claimed he didn’t lead, the “masses” were in charge), the Western media have labelled him “mad” and “dangerous to know”.

    This is not a defence of Gaddafi or the countless crimes against his own people or outsiders. He should be held to account for all violations of international law. The crimes are multiple and must be punished.

    Events in Libya are moving fast and I won’t try to cover all the latest developments here. Al-Jazeera English’s daily Libya blog is one of the best places to read all the news.

    But it’s remarkable to watch how quickly Western leaders and commentators, many of whom have celebrated the increasing ties between them and Gaddafi, are suddenly calling for his departure.

    It was seemingly only yesterday that a newfound, supposedly reliable ally in the “war on terror” had come in from the cold, rejected terrorism, ditched a nuclear program, given information about Pakistan’s covert nuclear program under AQ Khan and perhaps most importantly opened up Libya for Western businesses. The EU was only recently so keen to sell arms to Tripoli.

    In the last years the West embraced Gaddafi and his children because he was the kind of dictator we could deal with. Former British Prime Minister Tony Blair has visited Libya a number of times as an employee of J.P. Morgan, who pays him millions of pounds annually, to push for banking opportunities.

    Newly released documents indicate the Blair government wanted to provide weapons to Tripoli and train some of its military.

    The current British government of David Cameron has at least acknowledged the moral bankruptcy of backing autocrats in the Middle East and not believing Arabs can rule themselves freely but his message was contradicted by travelling across the Middle East with arms dealers in tow to sell weapons to “democratic” Kuwait.

    Why am I bringing all this sordid history up now? Because it shows the hypocrisy at the heart of Western political and media elites and how language is abused and selectively applied to the “good” and “evil”.

    Gaddafi is clearly “mad” while western presidents or prime ministers, who have caused far worse carnage in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan or Palestine, are still given respectful interviews in our media. It is inconceivable that an ABC or Murdoch journalist would openly call Tony Blair, Barack Obama, David Cameron or Nicholas Sarkozy a “war criminal”, even after they leave office. “We” are always better than “them”, a spurious democratic imprimatur that protects officialdom in our system. Killing literally hundreds of thousands of civilians – far in excess of anything Gaddafi could imagine – is ignored to maintain access to the powerful.

    I’m reminded of the former US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice interview with CNN’s Piers Morgan in January. Aside from a few questions about the Iraq war, the two laughed about Condi’s piano playing. There was nothing about her authorising torture against terror suspects after 9/11 or the huge civilian death toll in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Western commentators will show respect to a person such as Rice because she seems reasonable, calm and doesn’t dress in overly colourful garb like Gaddafi. This elaborate dance, an old tradition to protect a fellow powerful figure you’re likely to see at a cocktail party or media event in the weeks or month ahead, is what allows Rice to escape scrutiny, mockery or justice while somebody like Gaddafi is thrown to the wolves when he’s no longer useful. Piers Morgan is unlikely to catch him in Hollywood anytime soon.

    This is despite the fact that she has unarguably caused far greater trauma to far more people than Gaddafi or Mubarak. Journalism all too often reflects and defends the government line because reporters inhabit a world where that is their only logical perspective. As Salon’s Glenn Greenwald recently wrote:“…’The American press’ generally and ‘senior American national security journalists’ in particular operate with a glaring, overwhelming bias that determines what they do and do not report: namely, the desire to advance U.S. interests… America's "establishment media" is properly described as such precisely because their overarching objective is to promote and defend establishment interests in what they report to - and conceal from - their readers.”

    When it comes to Libya, how many Western media services even irregularly published voices from inside the country – bloggers, dissidents etc – that questioned how ordinary Libyans felt about the ever-increasing Western largesse being showered on Tripoli? US foreign policy, post the 2003 Iraq war, dictated a friendlier face towards “mad dog” Gaddafi and many Western writers bought this spin and transmitted it to their readers and viewers (“Gaddafi has a terrible record but in a remarkable transformation has ditched his nuclear program and embraced Tony Blair…”).

    While the situation on the ground in Libya is dire and the border with Tunisia, reports Robert Fisk from the scene, is a seething mass of bodies, it seems everybody is now an expert on Libya. Foreign military intervention is being openly discussed, despite many Libyans being openly opposed to it and The Los Angeles Times editorialising against imposing a no-fly zone.

    It’s time to put Libya into some perspective. Gaddafi may be a brute and autocrat but this didn’t suddenly occur in the last weeks. Good journalism has a responsibility to treat its subjects equally, not to the whims of US foreign policy (and therefore Australian foreign policy). Unfortunately, too many in the West view our behaviour as central to any radical change in the world; independence is unimagined.

    The New York Times’ Thomas Friedman wrote this week that the Arab revolutionaries were inspired by Obama’s Cairo speech in 2009. The “Arab” youth in his head said:

    “Hmmm, let’s see. He’s young. I’m young. He’s dark-skinned. I’m dark-skinned. His middle name is Hussein. My name is Hussein. His grandfather is a Muslim. My grandfather is a Muslim. He is president of the United States. And I’m an unemployed young Arab with no vote and no voice in my future."

    Even though he was in Cairo during the uprising against Mubarak, Friedman clearly missed the deep anger at Washington’s funding and backing of the Egyptian dictator. Friedman is a “serious” writer, regularly re-published in the Fairfax press here, who argued Israel, the Beijing Olympics, Google Earth and Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad were the main causes of the Arab protests. Seriously.

    Finally, some ground rules for decent journalism in the Middle East in the midst of the new Arab world:


    1) Not every story is about Israel and its “security” (do Palestinians not have security concerns, too?). Base yourself somewhere other than Tel Aviv or Jerusalem. Try the West Bank, Beirut, Cairo or Tunis.

    2) “Moderate” Arab regimes are anything but so don’t simply repeat State Department lines about “stability” in the region.

    3) Libya’s Gaddafi is a delusional thug but he’s an easy target. So is Iran’s Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Don’t ignore such regimes but remember our own responsibility for backing Arab autocrats in the name of “stability”.

    4) Locate and cultivate local sources in multiple countries that send reliable information, therefore reducing the need to send in white correspondents for a few days, with no real knowledge of a nation, on the frontline of a battle they don’t really understand.

    5) Don’t fear everybody who talks about Islamic democracy or democracy with an Islamic hue.

    6) Don’t continually quote or interview Western officials who have spent a lifetime implementing failed and Israel-centric policies in the Middle East and frame them as “experts”. I’m talking about people such as neo-conservative, former George W Bush official and Barack Obama adviser Elliot Abrams and former US ambassador to Israel Martin Indyk. Their time has past. Move on.



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    #78
    Libya will be free when it is nuclear and with capabilities to deliver anywhere anytime, or at least the capability to blow the whole planet up without delivery.

    Until then it will not be free no matter who is in charge.
     
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    #79

    Not to mention the precipitous economic collapse in association with the previous Administration or the present latitudes granted elected officials post the 2010 elections.

    Trends apparently are the Headlines direction irregardless the content.

    The present Administration provides a unique opportunity for a divergent future simply by its reelection as with the contours of Congress remaining the same.

    The resurgent Tea Party proclivity for the immediate past will be the harbinger for the Future.
     
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    LOL then you'll always be a slave ,yet again you are a slave to your own hatred and disillusions . In a time so dire it's sad thing to see that the human race is more bent on sitting on walls rather then being united .
     
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