France's Latest Laws

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by ApocalypseXL, Sep 15, 2010.

  1. ApocalypseXL

    ApocalypseXL Notable Member

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    #21
    If I ask you . You can just lie about your nationality can't you ? There is no simple way to verify someone's nationality over the Internet , so I don't bother asking .

    And for the integration part I was refereeing to their admittance . There's is no suck thing as perfect integration and we do have a shitload of problems to solve at national level and at European level . Restrictions are their for their own good . Imagine a country like Bulgaria loosing 2 million of it's workforce . That would spell total collapse for them . The issue is far to complex to tart debating it .

    To sum up my position I say : "Thugs GTFO" "Slavery GTFO" and "Well done France" .
     
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    BRUm Well-Known Member

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    I did not mention walking into private property with a ski-mask, did I? The right to anonymity within public bounds is a basic right. If I step onto someone else's property and they demand me to reveal my identity, I either comply or leave. If someone has a problem with wearing a burqa because they're forced by someone else, then take it up with the police. The minority should not rule the majority. Did you ever think about the women who don't have a problem wearing it? Why should they be penalised? What's all this bollocks about a united society? Unless you're a globalist fat cat or a television brainwashed zombie you should be celebrating individuality, not unity. This is all a slippery slope to fascism, communism and other collectivist ideologies. "I am one cell within an state organism. Singly weak, collected strong! My duty is to the collective! Sieg Heil!".

    Apocalypse, I feel genuinely saddened if you truly believe that the EU is for the best interest of Europeans. I am English and I don't want my country being told what laws to have, how valuable my currency is or how many immigrants can flood my nation, by another country. I don't want the Euro, I want to keep my Pound - which we have managed to hold on to, but it wouldn't surprise me that we'll lose it one day soon.

    To answer your question, yes I would like to see these ridiculous unions dissolved, unless the member states agree to being unified. We didn't have a referendum, yet we're being dictated by the scummy Euro police. This has nothing to do with tribalism you fool, it's called national sovereignty. You should read Nineteen Eighty-Four and Brave New World, they're prophecies. Increasing centralisation is abhorrent and doesn't work - Parliament already has a hard enough time as it is, you think Brussels can do a better job, thousands of miles away? The fact is that the EU incorporates too many different countries with differing cultures. This ultimately means that unless the bureaucracies break each down and enforce a new culture - which I believe they're trying to do - democracy can't work because what is favourable for one group of people isn't necessarily for the others. Ruling by generalisation is insane and simply too idealistic.

    This country is already slipping down the shitter and we can thank the euro-friendly leaders in London for this. People fear nationalist groups emerging, but what can you expect when these foreign things are forced upon us? It's as if the establishment wants everyone divided and fighting. The EU immigration policy is a way of diluting our cultures and an attempt to make mass illegal immigration acceptable.

    All roads once led to Rome...
     
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  3. ApocalypseXL

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    #23
    @BRUm . Thank you for your contribution . Without a doubt we have different views on the EU . I do believe that whit the exception of organized events you should be able have a modicum of clues about a persons identity . My bank example might have a been a bit overzealous but as you know persons what conceal their identity usually do so whit the purpose of committing a crime .

    Going to the police and reporting inter family slavery and abuse is and option , but it is a very poor one . It is far to easy for a individual or a group of individuals to control other by means of terror and violence . By enforcing this measure you are making sure that if someone is abused you can see it in broad day light . There might be women that enjoy using the burqa but in this case we are gaining a large amount of social stability and from my point of view this favors the integration of those women into society .

    I am a campaigner for privacy and for national rights myself but I also believe in "unity trough freedom" . I am not British myself but I have visited the UK and I do have a lot of friends in England and Scotland and I know how a lot of you guys feel about the EU so I will not promote the EU in this thread anymore .

    But I believe that such laws like the French just passed are steps trough wards preserving the national identity . I don't have a big problem whit immigrants that accept the countries values and culture but I do have a massive problem whit those that come in and try to shove down your throat their shitty culture . Mass migration never helped any European country develop . As i stated in another topic Neo-Nazi groups exploded in France after the car burning riots . Maybe legal actions like this will prevent more groups like "Division Skinhead" to appear .
     
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    BRUm Well-Known Member

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    #24
    You have some interesting views friend. I like that you support national identity and oppose standardisation of cultures through mass immigration, but the EU has a central policy to allow unrestricted movement of EU citizens. Ridding of this policy would probably alleviate the anger toward the union and possibly increase a little support. If you don't mind telling me, what is your nationality?

    Would you agree a confederation of Europe would be better than the union? This seems to support your idea of unity through freedom.
     
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    #25
    It wouldn't mind telling people my nationality but in this side of the DP forums your nationality seems to be troll food . So I'd rather let it be this way .

    A low that would limit the number of foreigners that can live and work in another country might be a good thing but the guy behind it has to be a genius . There's a very high probability for the law to be classified as xenophobic an Nazi if it has the smallest flaw .

    As for the confederation part , i personally don't care if we cal it Union , Federation , Alliance , Confederation or any other name . If I can jump into my car and blitz from Hamburg to Malaga and then to Paris or Venice I'm a happy man . I don't have to loose my time whit any bloody passports and the border controls won't do cavity searches or any bullshit like that .

    The next best part is that I can get parts from UK and from France without a hassle , anyone that bought anything from Japan or the US knows all about the headache of shipping and laws .

    So long as we maintain free travel (not free immigration) and free businesses I'm happy . Oh and the Euro is kind of cool too from my point of view , but any Irish man would like to kill me when he hears of it .

    But I will vehemently oppose any law that touches individual and national freedom . I don't mind going to my party's meetings and voicing my concerns and opinions or starting a website to fight something that pisses me off . "Si vis pacem para bellum" the romans where saying . We will progress trough words a better society (I hope) . But we must defend our freedom and rights by force if need be .
     
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