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Former Muslim Preachers, Mullahs, Imams, Scholars who left Islam and converted to Chr

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Truth777, Dec 19, 2009.

  1. Truth777

    Truth777 Peon

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    #21
    How do you know that?

    Over 80% of the muslims who immigrate to the west see that Islam is holding back the development of their countries.
    So they may say they are muslims, but have given up most of the Islamic dogmas, that's why you can hardly see women with veils, and behavior like 'DON'T TALK TO MY WIFE OR DAUGHTERS - A COUPLE OF THE MANY TYPICAL ISLAMIC BS RULES OPPRESSING WOMEN.

    I know a lot of muslims from all kind of countries. ONE THING ISLAM DIDN'T TEACH THEM IS TO SPEAK THE TRUTH. That tells me that this religion does not really teach HIGH MORAL VALUES.
     
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    #22
    how do you kno otherwise ?/

    Islam does not hold back development, when Muslims followed Islam they kicked ass of the whole world . do I need to give you lessons in history http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age

    what holds back Muslims is the west back dictators and proxy rulers , who are only loyal to their masters
     
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  3. Vebtools

    Vebtools Well-Known Member

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    #23
    No need to waste your time because we Muslim members has much bigger list of those who convert ti Islam (A big list of name already shared in this list)

    So, dont waste your time on such kind of threads because Islam respect Christians and your thread prove hate against Muslims

    and onething more.. Islam still most growing religion of this age
     
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  4. Truth777

    Truth777 Peon

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    #24
    I LOVE ALL PEOPLE!

    HATE AGAINST MUSLIMS??? THIS IS 100% NOT TRUE!

    Does Islam really respect Christians when the Quran advises muslims not to befriend Christians?
    I don't think so.
    Such advice is nothing, but a deep disrespect.
     
    Truth777, Dec 21, 2009 IP
  5. Vebtools

    Vebtools Well-Known Member

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    #25
    would you like to share the line of Quran where it is state that don't be friend of Christians??
     
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  6. Truth777

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    #26
    You see? You like 95% of the muslims don't know so many "good advices" from the Quran.
    "Believers, take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends1. They are friends with one another. Whoever of you seeks their friendship shall become one of their number. God does not guide the wrongdoers." Surah 5:51

    "Believers, do not make friends with any but your own people. They [the unbelievers] will spare no pains to corrupt you. They desire nothing but your ruin. Their hatred is evident from what they utter with their mouths, but greater is the hatred which their breasts conceal." The Imrans 3:118
     
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  7. Vebtools

    Vebtools Well-Known Member

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    #27
    check out ans already mentioned in these verses which you has mentioned and dont forget to read the history behind the Quran verses

    for more detail here we go http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=076428B73913A5F1
     
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  8. Dodara

    Dodara Active Member

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    #28
    It seems you are going around in every thread and trying to mislead people.

    I already responded to your thread here:
    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1622204

    Here is the response again:

    Original text:

    (ياأيها الذين آمنوا لا تتخذوا اليهود والنصارى أولياء بعضهم أولياء بعض ومن يتولهم منكم فإنه منهم إن الله لا يهدي القوم الظالمين)
    [5:51]

    Translation:

    (O you who believe, do not take Jews and Christians as allies; these are allies of one another. Those among you who ally themselves with these belong with them. GOD does not guide the transgressors.)[5:51]

    The translation you have provided is inaccurate becuase the Arabic word (أولياء) does not in any case mean friends.

    The Arabic word (أولياء) mean: The one who take care of you (Guardians) such as (Parents/Ruler/Allies/etc).

    So the word أولياء does not mean friends and thus the translation you have provided is inaccurate.

    Anyone in doubt can use any good Arabic-English dictionary and look for the meaning for the word أولياء.
     
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  9. imad

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    #29
    I heard you when you said so first time and decided to ignore for a reason, try to know it.
     
    imad, Dec 21, 2009 IP
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    #30
    LOL good work people above, my muslim friends. hehe .. MISQUOTING MISQOUTING is all these people do without reading with their minds on.

    Surely Surely,

    "It is He (Allah or God), Who has sent His messenger (Mohamed Peace be upon him) with His guidance and the True Religion (Islam Religion) that He may exalt it above all other religions, however much these polytheists may detest it"
    Saurah Al Taubah 33

    Prophet Adam preached Islam, Prophet Moosa(Moses) Preached Islam , prophet Issa( [J] esus) preached islam and prophet Muhammad preached Islam

    Peace.
     
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  11. Truth777

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    #31

    How did they Preach Islam???

    Muslims don't even realize there is something better than islam.... Islam successfully has hold back millions of people from freedom, democracy and better life.
    Show me only one muslim country where people live free?

    If Islam was really the best belief system how come so many muslim live in such poverty, and the educational level of most of them is way behind everybody else?
    Lets say I live according to God's laws (muslims believe their religion is the most right one), don't you think God listens to and helps those who do His will?

    If a relligion does not help you live well, what do you need it for?
    Another point If Islam is the best religion why muslims immigrate to the west but not to Iran, Afhganistan, Pakistan and etc. muslim countries, where they can live according to Islamic law, but instead come to mostly Christian countries?
     
    Truth777, Dec 29, 2009 IP
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    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #32
    Telling quote. While you cry for sympathy for the poor oppressed people of Palestine out of one side of your mouth, you would happily promote worldwide Muslim hegemony out of the other. Got news for you. Not gonna happen.

    I picture you as Al Bundy striking a football throwing pose. Ah the good old days.

    Like Ahmadinijad? Yemen? Somalia? Syria? Such shining examples of success with a sparkling humanitarian record. Go peddle crazy someplace else. We're all full up here.
     
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  13. imad

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    #33

    You are trying to blame the different problems in Muslim countries to Islam, Islam is not the reason, the reasons are many and each would take so long to discuss, besides they are not the point here, the point is those immigrants do not share your views or your "love to hate Islam" else if those immigrants you spoke about see in Islam a reason for their problems, they would convert right after they immigrate, but the fact that they stay Muslims, speaks that they do not see the problem in Islam, but the contrary, in not implementing Islam truly by mostly dictatorship regimes that mostly care about staying in power and not about their own people,

    so, your question should be asked to these immigrants, in a different way, by asking them: why you do not convert to some false religion? why do you insist on becoming Muslims? didn't you come to here because you were not free there? or because you were poor? or because you were oppressed ...etc

    hear what they say ;)
     
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    #34
    To convert people. A marketing tactic in islam is that you get more real estate and such if you convert more people. It's more easy to do in a non-Islamic society. Religion plays on greed and fear.
     
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    Pope Benedict’s choice to publicly baptize the most prominent Muslim in Italy, Egyptian-born Magdi Allam, highlights a quiet worldwide exodus from Islam. In recent years, millions have moved on. With this high-profile action, Pope Benedict demonstratively blesses this massive conversion from the highest levels of the Church.

    Interviewed by al-Jazeera in 2006, Ahmad al-Qataani, leader of the Companions Lighthouse for the Science of Islamic Law in Libya, explains the decline:

    Islam used to represent … Africa’s main religion and there were 30 African languages that used to be written in Arabic script. The number of Muslims in Africa has diminished to 316 million, half of whom are Arabs in North Africa. So in the section of Africa that we are talking about, the non-Arab section, the number of Muslims does not exceed 150 million people. When we realize that the entire population of Africa is one billion people, we see that the number of Muslims has diminished greatly from what it was in the beginning of the last century.

    On the other hand, the number of Catholics has increased from one million in 1902 to 329 million 882 thousand (329,882,000). Let us round off that number to 330 million in the year 2000.
    As to how that happened, well there are now 1.5 million churches whose congregations account for 46 million people. In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity. Everyday, 16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Every year, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity. These numbers are very large indeed.

    Allam’s public baptism came just ten days after the body of Catholic Archbishop Paulos Faraj Rahho of Mosul, Iraq, was found in a shallow grave after being kidnapped by al-Qaeda February 29. The ceremony came just three days after an al-Qaeda tape threatening the pope and condemning cartoons of Mohammed. Muslims who convert to other religions or abandon religion entirely are subject to a standing order of death for apostasy. The baptism of Allam is an act of defiance in the face of Islamic threats.
    .................


    IRAN muslims leaving islam in droves

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUBAvosmb5I
     
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    #36
    Hopefully we will be alive to see islam recognized worldwide by all countries as the largest ever man made fake and harmful belief system.
     
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    gkd_uk Well-Known Member

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    #38
    Lol, the source say's it all. Youtube

    By the way, you need to change the statement in your signature:

    From "If there was no Islam there would be no talebans there would be much less terrorism."

    To "If there was no me there would be much less hatred between religions in the world"
     
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    #39
    and the funny thing is that
    just last week same topic was opened by same user http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1620090


    I think truth77 is just a bot programmed to post anything it find bad about Islam, that's why the tittle of the thread always gets cropped in the middle . what a poor job for a bot
     
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    Al-Qaeda plot to murder family of sniper soldier

    British-based al-Qaeda fanatics threatened to kill a soldier’s family after learning his sniper team had killed 32 Taliban.

    Armed police were sent to his home after anti-terrorism officers uncovered the plot to murder his parents.

    The plans came to light when the security services monitored “chatter” – ­believed to be on mobile phones or the internet – between al-Qaeda extremists.

    It is the second time a soldier or his loved ones are known to have been targeted in the UK by groups linked to al-Qaeda.

    The chilling threats came after the serviceman was praised in reports in the media for his skills during a tour in Afghanistan.

    The soldier, in his 20s and from Scotland, is a “spotter” who has been working alongside a crack marksman in one of the Army’s highly-skilled two-man sniper teams.

    He and his colleague were hailed heroes for gunning down 32 Taliban fighters in Helmand Province. The Sunday Mirror is not identifying him for his and his family’s safety.

    Police investigating the threats were sent to his home fearing al-Qaeda ­sympathisers were on the verge of brutally attacking his relatives in twisted retaliation for his military service.

    It is feared they planned to film the raid and post the footage on a jihad website.

    Sniper teams – who play a vital role in killing off key Taliban commanders – are now being warned not give their details to the public.

    A senior security source told the Sunday Mirror: “The threat was credible and ­imminent.

    “The family of this soldier were deliberately targeted. The threats came from a ­terrorist Muslim group based in Britain.

    “Disturbingly they had traced the soldier’s family home. There is now real concern over revealing the details of snipers. Their activities appear to incite more reaction among radicalised Muslims in Britain than regular soldiers.”

    It is not known whether the group behind the threats was traced and identified by our security services or police.

    The revelation follows a plot by an al-Qaeda cell in Birmingham to kidnap a soldier and behead him on the internet in 2007.

    The six-man terror group was led by Paviz Khan, a 37-year-old father-of-three, who planned to kidnap a Muslim soldier and post a film on the internet of him being executed to try to deter other Muslims from joining the Army.

    The plan was thwarted after a year-long surveillance operation by MI5 and members of the West Midlands counter-terrorist unit.

    Khan was later jailed for life.

    Last night the MoD did not want to comment about the latest plot because of security concerns.

     
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