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Former Google Employee Admits PR means NOTHING

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by movidalatina, Nov 21, 2007.

  1. #1
    LOL- I've always thought that PR means nothing. And it
    was/is always funny to me to see people on here selling
    links based on there PR, and or denying a link exchange
    with others because the other person has a lower PR
    (a PR7 does'nt want to be associated with a PR3) LOL. As if their MOM told them that as a youngster.
    Anyway here's a former Google employee (Vanessa Fox - founder of Google Webmaster Central )
    on a WebmastersRadio show admitting that PR means nothing.
    A brief summary of what she says "...This really does'nt affect
    anything, other than the number showing on the toolbar"
    "...what the number is on your pagerank bar is'nt gonna change
    your traffic one way or another"
    .

    So much for the PR argument. In other words PR means CRAP. :D

    Another interesting thing she said ( mind you this woman was
    indoctrinated by Google and founded Webmaster Central..she
    left Google this past June '07 to work with Zillow.com. So she
    obviously knows the way of thinking over there at G. ) is that
    Google wants all the money in the world (LOL).
    How did I come to that conclusion you might ask: Well, they don't
    want sites to sell links. In other words if you want to advertise
    your site, use a text link form of advertising, and of course the
    obvious choice is Google Adwords.
    ".....so they are trying to take away the ability of these sites to
    be seen as a valuable sources of links, Hurt Them Where The Money Is"

    here is a link to the radio show WebmastersRadio

    And so this can really be considered as coming from the horses mouth.
    Enjoy your PR's - LOL
     
    movidalatina, Nov 21, 2007 IP
  2. MOG

    MOG Well-Known Member

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    #2
    is there really anything here that we didnt know?

    I mean c'mon, how many times have you gone to a site because it had high PR? On the other hand, how many sites rank high for competitive keywords with a low PR.......

    its a necessary evil, and the statements above arent representative of the whole story however.....
     
    MOG, Nov 21, 2007 IP
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    #3
    Really PR is nothing. Nice research movidalatina.
     
    bomberman, Nov 21, 2007 IP
  4. BILZ

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    #4
    First off, the apostrophe goes between the "n" and the "t": doesn't, isn't.

    Second, you are reading too much into that statement. She is saying that PR isn't an indicator of traffic. Which is fine and, i would argue, common knowledge. It IS an indicator of the number/quality of links pointing to a site - which can be an indicator of a site's ability to rank well in the SEs.
     
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  5. movidalatina

    movidalatina Well-Known Member

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    #5
    LOL - Bilz your definitelly gonna have a field day
    here on DP if your gonna correct grammar.

    LOL - thread posted at :39 and bunch of
    wiseguys respond 8 minutes later.
    without even listening to a 20 minute radio show
    (the basis for the thread) OK Know it ALLS!
     
    movidalatina, Nov 21, 2007 IP
  6. boron

    boron Well-Known Member

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    #6
    BILZ, I will say it this way: PR comes from high PR backlinks (importance of relevance or quality of backlinks is close to zero by my experience). This high PR backlinks are strong factor in SERPs, as long their anchor text has appropriate keywords.

    Getting four PR7 backlinks (not necessary relevant) may have a huge and fast impact on SERPs. I've seen it on DP, I accept contra arguments though.

    Matt Cutts's blog (PR6) rank #4 for blog buy online viagra (ranked #1 when the blog was PR7) and #16 for "buy cheap viagra" (he was doing a SEO experiment, which was then repeated by onemansblog (PR7), they rank #25 for the same term, was on higher #, when the blog was PR8).

    I wouldn't know how much effect backlinks OR sites with PR1-6 have though.
     
    boron, Nov 21, 2007 IP
  7. aira

    aira Active Member

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    #7
    thanks for sharing movi!

    I totally agree with those who believe that PR is nothing.. coz most of internet users don't really care about them cause they are after the content of a site not the PR..
     
    aira, Nov 21, 2007 IP
  8. BILZ

    BILZ Peon

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    hehe. Your'e right. Probably should'nt have mentioned it. It just irritates me that many here do'nt take a few extra seconds to check their typing. (TIP: use Firefox it has built in spell check)

    I didn't think it was necessary to listen to the whole show. I was just responding to your comments and the quote that you referenced. But good point i suppose.
     
    BILZ, Nov 26, 2007 IP
  9. boron

    boron Well-Known Member

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    #9
    PR means how many and how high PR backlinks a site have. So, instead of checking all backlinks, someone can check only PR and can get an idea of worth of summary of all backlinks. PR refelects the power of backlinks. Backlinks have a great impact on SERPs, and high PR backlinks have even greater impact.

    It is many backlinks or low PR backlinks which don't have power by themselves. The same is true for low PR of a site. I don't know how much impact PR1-6 has on SERPs, but PR7 and above may have a great impact.

    You should provide an example of test, that high PR has no impact on SERPs and then you can talk about PR value. If someone thinks, I'm wrong, let's provide a proof. i've shown my arguments.
     
    boron, Nov 26, 2007 IP
  10. BlueDevilMedia

    BlueDevilMedia Well-Known Member

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    #10
    Chasing PR is a waste of time anyway...
     
    BlueDevilMedia, Nov 26, 2007 IP
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    Scorpiono Well-Known Member

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    #11
    I agree with BILZ 100%
    Cheers
     
    Scorpiono, Nov 26, 2007 IP
  12. ninjashoes

    ninjashoes Well-Known Member

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    #12
    yeah its funny how people on here barter PR

    its about as valuable as World of Warcraft gold

    or in other words its a good way to scam people
     
    ninjashoes, Nov 26, 2007 IP
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    #13
    ppl also say the alexa tool bar means nothing also, to us it really doesn't, but to those big wigs that are only care about buzz words it does
     
    mz906, Nov 26, 2007 IP
  14. pachecus

    pachecus Well-Known Member

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    #14
    One of my sites drop from PR5 to PR0 and I get the exact same traffic form google...
     
    pachecus, Nov 26, 2007 IP
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    droper Active Member

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    #15
    PR means nothing, but how many of you would kill to have a PR10 ??
    It is a measure of what you are getting with your work, it does not mean anything to SERPs but a high PR means that you are making a good job, and that work is always rewarded with good SERPs.
     
    droper, Nov 26, 2007 IP
  16. BlueDevilMedia

    BlueDevilMedia Well-Known Member

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    I'm actually getting more traffic from Google on a few sites that lost PR in this last update.
     
    BlueDevilMedia, Nov 26, 2007 IP
  17. WatchOut

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    #17
    Google has got it very wrong from the start, unfortunately some webmasters were too late discovering this system and many went and invested a lot in order to gain a high, successful PageRank.

    Have you ever seen Pagerank on a private message that isin't accessable by any bots? I have :rolleyes:
    Google are way off track.

    - Meti
     
    WatchOut, Nov 26, 2007 IP
  18. manchesterguy

    manchesterguy Well-Known Member

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    A good SEO knows how to use PR and when to use it.

    PR is extremely important with off page optimisation. One of the great, and highly guarded secrets of SEO is the knowledge of the PR mechanism, and how you can use it to improve your rankings.

    99% of the people don't understand how to use PR properly. That's why they say things like "PR doesn't matter".

    Take it from a professional SEO: PR matters a hell of a lot.
     
    manchesterguy, Nov 26, 2007 IP
  19. stickycarrots

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    If I offered you a PR10 link for $10 you would take it. No matter what kind of content was on the site. Don't tell me PR is nothing :p
     
    stickycarrots, Nov 26, 2007 IP
  20. godchild

    godchild Banned

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    HaHa! Good point! Please reply on this ;)
     
    godchild, Nov 26, 2007 IP